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Subject: Re: Margery Pecche or Clifford, wife of Nicholas de Criol
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 20:35:02 EDT
In a message dated 19/04/02 22:18:39 GMT Daylight Time,
For what its worth, I have the following extract from Hasted's History of
Kent (but do not seem to have made a note of the name of the manor involved):
After which this manor appears to have come into the possession
of the family of Auberville, in which it remained till Joane, daughter
and heir of William de Auberville, marrying Nicholas de Criol,
entitled him to it as part of her inheritance. At length his
descendant Bertram de Criol dying s.p. Joane his sister carried it in
marriage to Sir Richard de Rokesle, whose daughter and coheir Joane,
about the middle of king Edward II,'s reign, marrying Thomas de
Poynings, of Westhanger, on whose death in the 14th year of king
Henry VIII. without legitimate issue, and even without any collateral
kindred, who could make claim to his estates, this manor, among the
rest of them, escheated to the crown, whence it was by the king's
bounty, soon afterwards conferred on his eldest natural son Sir Thomas
Poynings, created Baron Poynings, of Ostenhanger. But in the 32d year
of it, he, with Catherine his wife, exchanged this manor, with
Westenhanger, and other premises, with the king, for other estates in
other counties. After which this manor continued, in the same owners
as Westenhanger, down to the family of Champneis, in which is now
vested, ....... (vol viii p 289)
> Doug Smith wrote:
> > I have pasted in my working reconstruction of the Criols from var.
> > It is not documented and is only a working hypothese. They appear to have
> > intermarried with several families I am working on. I am, of course,
> > looking for documentation.
> Thanks for posting that reconstruction.
> I think we can safely say that there isn't a general consensus on how these
> Criols should be put together!
> Incidentally, Tony Ingham has also been kind enough to send me his
> reconstruction of the Criols, according to which Bertram, the husband of
> Eleanor de Crevacoeur (and father of John, Bertram and Joan the wife of
> Richard de Rokesle), and Nicholas, the husband of Joan d'Auberville (and
> father of Nicholas the husband of Margery Pecche) are brothers - the sons
> John de Criol and Maud de Eastwell.
> On the whole, I think more work is needed before we can be sure whether we
> have two contemporary couples called Nicholas de Criol and Margery, or one
> man who married two Margerys.
> Chris Phillips