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From: "Chris Phillips" <>
Subject: Re: Margery Pecche or Clifford, wife of Nicholas de Criol
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 08:12:22 +0100
The following, posted yesterday, doesn't seem to have got through. Perhaps
it was too long. I'll post it in three parts this time. Sorry if it ends up
PART 1 OF 3
Finally it's possible to give a fairly definite answer to the question about
Margery de Criol, though some questions remain.
To recap briefly: the Complete Peerage (vol.3, p.542) says that Nicholas de
Criol married before 10 February 1271/2, Margery, daughter of Gilbert Peche,
and that he died 12 October 1303, with Margery surviving. However,
MichaelAnne Guido pointed out that an apparently different Margery, widow of
Nicholas de Criol appeared in 1313, when Richard Clifford, son and heir of
John Clifford released to her and to Elizabeth wife of Sir John de Pabenham,
and Margery daughter and heiress of Sir Robert de Hereward, all right in
specified lands of their inheritance [Baker, History of Northamptonshire,
The Victoria County Histories of Buckinghamshire and Northamptonshire
interpreted this as a release of his right to three coheiresses, and
suggested that these three were coheirs of a Margery Clifford who appeared
holding the manor of Lillingstone [Lovell] in 1254, and who married (i)
Peter de St Martin and (ii) by 1260 Peter Dansey (who was living 1266).
However.other secondary sources show Margery de Criol as the mother of
Pabenham and Margaret Hereward. But if Margery de Criol was the wife of
Nicholas who d.1303, chronology would place her in the same generation as
Elizabeth and Margaret, supporting the VCH interpretation.
This raised a number of questions - did Nicholas de Criol (d.1303) marry
twice; if so, who was his second wife, and which of his wives was the mother
of his son and heir?
(1) Mardi Carter pointed out a pedigree in Bedfordshire Historical Record
Society vol.14 (1931), which placed the "Clifford" Margery as the wife of
the father of Nicholas (d.1303), and made her the mother of Elizabeth
Pabenham and Margaret Hereward. Nicholas's father, also called Nicholas,
died 1273, having married Nicholas junior's mother, Joan d'Auberville (whom
the Complete Peerage calls his first wife). Margery was described in the
pedigree as "testatrix", suggesting this was based on evidence from a will.
I followed this up and found that this was an extract of Margery's will,
with a translation and commentary, in the article "Some Bedfordshire Wills
at Lambeth and Lincoln", by Mrs H. Jenkinson and G.H. Fowler. (The copy I
saw unfortunately lacked the pedigree that Mardi saw, which must have been
"lost, stolen or strayed".)
This will, dated 1319, is really the vital piece of evidence, as it
Bertram my son (deceased);
my brother Richard de Clifford*;
my daughters Catherine de Braddene* and Margaret Hereward*;
[Sir] Robert Hereward*;
Sir John de Pabenham and my daughter Elizabeth his wife;
Margaret their daughter;
Elizabeth de Pabenham, a nun at Shaftesbury.
*Presumably dead, as provision is made for prayers for their souls.
So it establishes that, despite the VCH interpretation, Elizabeth Pabenham
and Margaret Hereward were Margery de Criol's daughters, not her coheirs.
[This will is mentioned in the Complete Peerage article on Criol, but as
that of the widow of the Nicholas who d.1303. As shown below, that is
The mention of the daughter Catherine Braddene explains Margery's role in a
transaction concerning the manor and advowson of Easton Neston,
Northamptonshire, with Geoffrey de Braddene and Katherine his wife [British
Library, Additional Charter 21,856]. According to Baker's History of
Northamptonshire this manor had been in the Braddene family. Judging by his
pedigree of the Braddenes elsewhere, Geoffrey probably had no issue by
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