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From: "Chris and Tom Tinney, Sr." <>
Subject: Re: Oppida in Irish Culture; was: Ancient Irish 'Pedigrees' (was Re: History & Genealogy or the Mathematical Study of Genealogy?)
Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 09:34:12 -0700
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From a dictionary of the
English language: "town".
British - A rural village that
has a market or fair periodically.
HOWEVER, in Old English, it is
an enclosed place, homestead, village.
ADDITIONALLY, re: dhuno; ONLY in
Celtic and Germanic: Fortified,
enclosed place. The cliff castles
and stone forts - stone-built
homesteads of Celtic Ireland are
by very definition the British
"Village", if they have a market
or fair periodically.

"There were four major royal
sites in Ireland Tara, Cruachin,
Dun Ailinne, and Emain Macha.
Much of what is known about
these sites comes from the
Iron Age around the third
century B.C. during the
beginnings of the La Te'ne
period." KEY: "We are only
able to document such things
as fairs and festivals which
were held at these locations."
VILLAGE: "Wooden huts seem to
circle around the ringfort

"Chycauster is an example of
another type of settlement, the
courtyard village, consisting of
a number of stone-built houses.
Each house has a stone-paved
courtyard surrounded by rooms
and byres, the whole complex
enclosed within a stone wall.
Outside are the stone-walled
fields belonging to the

Respectfully yours,

Tom Tinney, Sr.
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JMB wrote:

> "Doug Weller" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>>On Sun, 05 May 2002 12:20:02 -0700, in soc.history.ancient, Chris and Tom
> Tinney, Sr.
>>>Doug Weller wrote:
>>>>On Sun, 05 May 2002 08:44:32 -0700, in soc.history.ancient, Chris and
> Tom Tinney, Sr.
>>>>>Doug Weller wrote:
>>>>No one has found evidence of oppida in Ireland. Instead, there are
> cliff castles and stone
>>>>forts - stone-built homesteads.
>>>>Writing about these, Barry Fell, in his recent book Facing the Ocean,
> states "if it is
>>>>accepted that the cliff castles and stone forts began in the first
> millennium BC [rather
>>>>than later], as seems not unreasonable, then the pattern of settlement
> would be broadly
>>>>similar to that of southwestern and northwestern Britain. The lack of
> an elite, or even a
>>>>distinctive material culture, suggests that status was proclaimed in
> other ways: it is
>>>>tempting to think that the strong, visually-dominant enclosure was one.
> (p. 359.
>>>I note: Southern England:
>>>An Archaeological Guide, (1973),
>>>by James Dyer, discusses the
>>>prehistoric and Roman remains
>>>of Cornwall [England]. In the
>>>Iron age and Romano-British
>>>time period, Chysauster Village,
>>>a site in south-west Cornwall
>>>only 6 km from St. Michael's
>>>Mount, was occupied from about
>>>100 B.C. until well into the
>>>3rd century A.D.
>>And your point is?
> Thank you Doug. I was getting worried over a few of his posts, thinking
> that I must have missed the point somewhere along the way. At least now I
> know its not just me. :^)
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