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From: "Chris and Tom Tinney, Sr." <>
Subject: Re: Oppida in Irish Culture; was: Ancient Irish 'Pedigrees' (was Re: History & Genealogy or the Mathematical Study of Genealogy?)
Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 00:16:45 -0700
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If you go back to my original
post, I stated:

"There is a mapping of Irish
culture and Brehon law, as to
its origins, with the historical
period in Israel, circa 1429 B.C.
till 1095 B.C., after the Exodus,
when there was the period of the
Judges, of whom the first was
Othniel and the last judge Samuel;
all historically validated
by modern finds and artifacts."

An artifact is an object produced
or shaped by human workmanship,
such as a book. In particular,
the Koran. "Saul's history is
related in the Koran {478} in
the following manner:
After Moses the Israelites desired
a king, in order that they might
go out under him to the Holy War,
{479} to which however only a few
of them afterwards went. The
prophet (Samuel) gave out that Saul
was sent of God, still he seemed
despicable in the eyes of the people.
{480} . . .

The name of the prophet is not
given, and later Arabians also are
in ignorance about it."

The fact that Muhammad {or one
of his scribes employed to write}
does so in a manner to telescope
Moses to {Judge} prophet Samuel,
of unknown name, shows that by
the death of the Prophet Muhammad,
a "fact element" had continued in
the Muslim world that clearly
related to the Prophet Samuel.

Considering cultural disparities,
as well as the realization that
the record was not a genealogical
construct related to Muhammad,
the acceptance of this "fact
[the Koran = Holy Word of God]
element" by 632 C.E., acts as a
second witness to the biblical
[Hebrew word of God] accounts.

REFERENCE: The Origins of the
Koran, Classic Essays of Islam's
Holy Book, edited by Ibn Warraq;
published 1998 by Prometheus Books.

Respectfully yours,

Tom Tinney, Sr.
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Who's Who In Genealogy and Heraldry,
[both editions]
Todd A. Farmerie wrote:

> Chris and Tom Tinney, Sr. wrote:
>> Todd A. Farmerie wrote:
>>> Nothing relevant.
>> --------------
>> [from a minimalist standpoint]
> To the same degree that excluding "French toast" as a valid answer to
> "What day is today?" or "What is 1 + 1?" is a minimalist standpoint.
> taf

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