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From: (Stewart Baldwin)
Subject: Re: Gwladus and Tangwystl
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 04:08:46 GMT
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On 25 May 2002 15:48:12 -0600, wrote:

>Since this same source makes an error in the identification of the mother of
>Susan, who is proven by contemporary correspondense to be the daughter of
>Joan, the source cannot be trusted as being accurate, and neither can the
>Bartum material be trusted on this matter.

Susan? Please tell us more about this "Susan", and identify the
"contemporary correspondense" to which you are referring. (Or did you
accidently type the wrong name?)

>In a message dated 04/23/02 7:35:59 PM, writes:
>
><< I have spent two hours search the four Peniarth manuscripts in
>question. Only one reference was found to the mother of Gwladus
>Ddu, in Peniarth Mss 131, p118. The translation reads as follows
>(names have been given in full):-
>
>p118
>children of Llewelyn son of Iorwerth Drwyndwn were Gruffudd son of
>Llewelyn and Gwladus Ddu wife of old Randolfe Mortimer
>
>Their mother was Danglwyst daughter of Llywarch Goch son of Llywarch
>Bychan son of Llywarch son of . . . and to Rhodri Mawr. >>

Have I missed a posting somewhere that quoted more of the above
source? There is certainly nothing in the above quote that has been
disproven by any contemporary evidence that I have seen.

Stewart Baldwin

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