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Subject: Re: Gwladus and Tangwystl
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 22:57:16 EDT


In a message dated 5/26/02 10:14:09 PM, writes:

<< Susan? Please tell us more about this "Susan," and identify the
"contemporary correspondence" to which you are referring. (Or did you
accidentally type the wrong name?) >>

L had a daughter named Susanna -- probably died young. I did type the wrong
name -- as I meant Elen.

The Peniarth sources and Bartrum (who drew on them) make errors in ascribing
the wrong mother to both Elen and Gwenllian, both proved by contemporary
sources to be incorrect. That is why this Peniarth source cannot be trusted.
"...children of Llewelyn son of Iorwerth Drwyndwn were Gruffudd son of
Llewelyn and Gwladus Ddu wife of old Randolfe Mortimer. Their mother was
Danglwyst daughter of Llywarch Goch son of Llywarch Bychan son of Llywarch
son of . . . and to Rhodri Mawr."

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