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From: Miriam Ward <>
Subject: RE: de Thouars and de Faye (Bramley, Surrey) in 'DD' - ?
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:03:55 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <BE9CF8DEAB7ED311B05E0008C7FA708701B1FE93@v003138e.crsrehab.gov.au>


Hi Peter, I'm new to the list and wondered if you knew
if Raoul De Thouars was possibly the son of
Aimery.Thamks,

Miriam

--- "Stewart, Peter" <>
wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [mailto:]
> > Sent: Thursday, 27 June 2002 9:39
> > To:
> > Subject: de Thouars and de Faye (Bramley, Surrey)
> in 'DD' - ?
> >
> >
> > Wednesday, 26 June, 2002
> >
> >
> > Dear Chris, Rosie, et al.,
> >
> > Aimery [IV], vicomte de Thouars, is credited
> being as one of the
> > 'companions of the Conqueror' at Hastings.
> >
> > 1. Is there any track of English landholdings
> of the
> > vicomte de Thouars in Domesday Book? As he
> died
> > in 1093 [per C. Settipani, SGM archives] it
> would
> > be most surprising given his position and
> service
> > if neither he nor one of his sons was a
> > landholder in England in 1086.
>
> There's an interesting article about this man by
> Jane Martindale, *Aimeri of
> Thouars and the Poitevin Connection* in
> _Anglo-Norman Studies_ 7
> (Proceedings of the Battle Conference 1984).
>
> She notes that no-one in Domesday Book "could
> plausibly be identified with"
> Aimeri, and records that he was definitely back in
> Poitou by 1069, when he
> made a promise (subsequently kept) to the monks of
> Saint-Florent de Saumur.
> He is supposed to have been released from captivity
> in the year of Hastings,
> but the circumstances and exact timing of this are
> not known. Martindale is
> cautious, but _maybe_ his apparently altruistic
> participation in the
> conquest was a return for some valuable personal
> favour from William.
>
> Martindale quotes Jacques Boussard's statement that
> the viscount of Thouars
> was "the most powerful vassal" of the count of
> Poitou in the 11th century
> [from _Le gouvernement d'Henri II Plantagent_
> (Paris, 1956)], and she
> points out "how difficult it would have been for
> Aimeri to have become
> involved in the process of the Normans' settlement
> and colonisation of
> England" due to his commitments in Poitou, adding
> that he was "no landless
> knight who needed to seek his fortune in October
> 1066".
>
> Notably, Martindale says that Aimeri "was twice
> married, firstly to
> Orengardis and secondly to Amelina". The first was
> Aurengarde de Maulon,
> dead before 1070. ES gives him a third wife in
> between these two ladies,
> called Marie (living 1080). This strikes me as an
> unusual given name at that
> time in France - I wonder if it was rather a
> mistranscription, and she was
> actually the same person as Amelina (living 1093,
> whose family is unknown).
>
> Peter Stewart
>


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