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From: "Leo van de Pas" <>
Subject: Fw: Descent from Juana la Loca to English royals?
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 10:49:08 +0800


I sent this message to Michelle a week ago and, sadly, she didn't receive
it. The message came back as undeliverable------
Leo van de Pas

----- Original Message -----
From: Leo van de Pas <>
To: Michelle Murphy <>
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: Descent from Juana la Loca to English royals?


> Dear Michelle,
> I hope this helps a little.
>
> All lines from Juana La Loca go via her son the Emperor Ferdinand I
>
> All the lines from Ferdinand I go via his daughter Maria.
>
> Maria's children have a three way split
> Marie Eleonore of Cleves
> has 40 lines to Prince Andrea of Greece, father of Prince Philip
> has 46 lines to Princess Alice, mother of Prince Philip
> has 56 lines to King George VI
>
> Anna of Cleves
> has 11 lines to Prince Andrea of Greece and Denmark
> has 23 lines to Princess Alice of Battenberg
> has 20 lines to King George VI
>
> Magdalene of Cleves
> has 14 lines to Prince Andrea of Greece
> has 34 lines to Princess Alice
> has 6 lines to King George VI
>
> Does this help?
> Best wishes
> Leo van de Pas
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michelle Murphy <>
> To: Leo van de Pas <>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:41 AM
> Subject: Re: Descent from Juana la Loca to English royals?
>
>
> >
> > Hi Leo
> >
> > Literally I'm just trying to find out if Juana had
> > descents to the current royal family. The query was
> > sparked off by someone on another list asking for
> > links between Charles the Bold of Burgundy and Prince
> > Charles (of Wales - present day). I provided a number
> > of links (they are cousins a few dozen times removed
> > in a number of different ways) but this sparked off
> > the question in my mind on how Prince Charles might
> > descend from Juana (thus giving Charles the Bold and
> > Prince Charles more common ancestors - but my
> > wondering has now become bigger than the original
> > query, as I know the person who asked that question is
> > well satisfied).
> >
> > Based on the limited information I could view today
> > (not having much info on the Spanish royal family) I
> > wasn't coming up with much, so I thought I'd put it to
> > you experts on the list!
> >
> > If you even have the names of some people in
> > generations 15-19, I could track them down, as perhaps
> > some of my info is incorrect and is excluding some
> > people.
> >
> > thanks for your offer of help Leo! I'll have to put
> > this one to bed for tonight - my Brunswick-Luneburgs
> > and Oldenburgs and Habsburgs are turning up nothing.
> >
> > Michelle
> >
> > --- Leo van de Pas <> wrote:
> > > Dear Michelle
> > > What are you trying to establish? Tell me, that
> > > would make it easier to help
> > > you. I can supply 'ancestor lists numbers" but that
> > > would only create more
> > > hard work for you.
> > >
> > > The links with Juana occur in generations 15 to 19
> > > roughly,
> > > I can only produce a complete ancestor list of about
> > > 12 generations,
> > > otherwise it becomes too huge even for my computer.
> > >
> > > The large number of descents are caused by the many
> > > intermarriages in all
> > > royal families, but you know that.
> > > Leo
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Michelle Murphy <>
> > > To: <>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 7:58 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Descent from Juana la Loca to English
> > > royals?
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Leo
> > > >
> > > > Clearly I'm not looking in the right place then.
> > > Could
> > > > you indicate which children/grandchildren of Juana
> > > I
> > > > should be pursuing? Or whether the large number of
> > > > lines you mentioned occurs because a descendant of
> > > > Juana is a well known personage from whom both
> > > > Elizabeth and Philip have a large number of
> > > descents?
> > > > This isn't something I've looked into before.
> > > >
> > > > thanks
> > > >
> > > > Michelle
> > > >
> > > > ps) I shouldn't be online at all at this time of
> > > > night! Work tomorrow and all that <sigh>
> > > >
> > > > --- Leo van de Pas <> wrote:
> > > > > Dear Michelle
> > > > >
> > > > > HRH Prince Philip, The Duke of Edinburgh
> > > descends in
> > > > > at least 168 different lines from Juana of
> > > Aragon.
> > > > >
> > > > > HM Elizabeth II descends in at least 82 lines
> > > from
> > > > > the same Juana of Aragon.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best wishes
> > > > > Leo van de Pas
> > > > > Canberra, Australia
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Michelle Murphy <>
> > > > > To: <>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 7:34 AM
> > > > > Subject: Descent from Juana la Loca to English
> > > > > royals?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi all
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do we have a descent from Juana "la Loca" of
> > > > > Castile &
> > > > > > Philip "The Handsome" to the present day
> > > English
> > > > > > royals? Philippe, brother of Louis XIV,
> > > descends
> > > > > at
> > > > > > least twice from them via his mother Anne of
> > > > > Austria,
> > > > > > as does Louis XIV himself - but did any of
> > > their
> > > > > > descendants intermarry with the English royal
> > > > > family
> > > > > > (whose spouses were almost exclusively German
> > > > > until
> > > > > > the present century)?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > thanks
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Michelle Murphy
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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