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From: "Stewart, Peter" <>
Subject: RE: Countess Ida, Bigod, Longespee
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 10:12:25 +1000

> -----Original Message-----
> From: R Phair [mailto:]
> Sent: Thursday, 4 July 2002 3:06
> To:
> Subject: Countess Ida, Bigod, Longespee
> As it turns out there is evidence that Ida countess of Norfolk was
> William's mother. Among the prisoners captured at the battle of
> Bouvines, Flanders, in 1214 was Ralph Bigod, described as a brother of
> William (Longespee) earl of Salisbury [3].
> It may turn out to be only coincidence, but another Bradenstoke charter
> of earl William, dated by London as 1198x1199, was witnessed by, among
> others, Hugh Bigod and William Bigod [1]. These happen to be the names
> of both earl Roger Bigod's half-brothers and two of his sons. Both of
> the half-brothers were living at this time; Hugh was the older one [8].
> It is not clear if both sons would have been old enough to witness a
> charter of their half-brother, nor is it certain that earl Roger's son
> William was still alive. London did not attempt to identify the
> witnesses.

Congratulations, Ray, for your discoveries & the most valuable post to SGM
for quite a while.

By the way, there are instances of boys stated to be as young as 6 years old
witnessing charters in France in the 12th century. The normal expectation
that they would be considerably older than that may be too rigid.

Best wishes

Peter Stewart

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