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From: "Peter Sutton" <>
Subject: Longford - Montgomery - Foljambe - Clarell - Gresley
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:46:53 +0100


Is there anyone on the list who can comment on the following line:

1. Sir John Gresley d. 31 Jan 1486/7 (b. 1418)

2. Sir John Gresley = Elizabeth Clarell

3. Sir Thomas Clarell = Matilda Montgomery

4. Sir Nicholas Montgomery = Margaret Foljambe

5. Sir Nicholas Montgomery = Joan Longford (m. abt 1391)

6. Sir Nicholas Longford = Margaret Sulney

According to Madam (The Gresleys of Drakelowe) Sir John Gresley was born in
1418 (from his father's IPM). His parents were Sir John Gresley and
Elizabeth daughter of Sir Thomas Clarell by Matilda daughter of Sir Nicholas
Montgomery. Madam quotes Gresley Charter 387 which is apparently a marriage
settlement for Sir John Gresley and Matilda Clarell and the date is 1409-10.
He also says that Matilda had a sister Margaret. In his pedigree of the
Clarell family he shows Sir Thomas Clarell (d. 1442) as being married to
Matilda, daughter of Sir Nicholas Montgomery by Margaret Foljambe.

In "South Yorkshire" by Rev. Joseph Hunter, Republished in 1974, there is a
pedigree of Clarell of Aldwark on page 53. This shows Thomas Clarell the
elder drowned in the Don in 1442. Thomas Clarell his son and heir is
described as being 40 years old and upwards. He gives the wife of Thomas
Clarell the elder as being Maud daughter of Sir Nicholas Montgomery, lord of
Marston and Cubley in Derbyshire, by Margaret his wife daughter of Godfrey
Foljambe. He gives their daughter Elizabeth as marrying "Thomas" Gresley
and having a sister Margaret.

From Joseph Foster, Pedigrees of the county families of Yorkshire, vol.1
(London, 1874). Sir Godfrey Foljambe father of "Margery" who married Thomas
Clarell, is given as being born in 1343 and dying in 1375. "Margery's"
brother was 21 and a half when he died in 12R2 and was therefore born about
1366. I would guess "Margery" or Margaret must have been born around 1370,
and in any case no later than 1375. This pedigree goes on to say Margery
Foljambe , married to Sir Nicholas Montgomery, of Cubley, Knt., ob. 30 Hen.
6, leaving a daughter and heiress, Matilda, married to Thomas Clarell, of
Aldwarke, co. Ebor.

I have not yet seen a sourced pedigree of the Montgomery family, and what I
have seen is confusing. However, if Margaret Foljambe was born in 1370 she
could not have married a man with parents who were only married in 1391, and
still had children by him.

Can anyone offer any corrections to the above line.

Peter Sutton


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