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From: "Stewart, Peter" <>
Subject: RE: Ambiguous citation in benchmark history
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:25:29 +1000


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Phillips [mailto:]
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> Subject: Re: Ambiguous citation in benchmark history
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> Rick Eaton wrote:
> > 1. Was there a Hugh, son of Warin, or not?
> >
> > 2. Can anyone further identify him?
> >
> > 3. What became of him and why, if he was rightful heir to
> > his father, would Hugh's descendants be "excluded?"
> >
> > 4.. Who might these descendants be?
> >
> > 5. Could those descendants be FitzWarins?
>
> Keats-Rohan has a rather different account of Warin (Domesday
> Descendants, p.1138). She says Warin [elsewhere she calls him
> Awrin the Bald], sheriff of Shropshire under Earl Roger of
> Montgomery before 1086, married Amiera a kinswoman
> [elsewhere she says niece] of the earl. "At his death he left a
> minor son Hugh and a daughter and eventual heiress Adelisa,
> wife of Hubert Baldran. His widow remarried Rainald de
> Balliol, who held Warin's office in land as guardian of Hugh in
> 1086."

It's worth pointing out that in Keats-Roham's account (_Domesday People_ p
348) Rainald was from Bailleul-en Gouffern, Orne - he was not a member of
the more famous Balliol family supposed to be from Bailleul-en-Vimeu in
Picardy.

I'm not sure why Keats-Rohan calls the man "Awrin", but maybe this is just a
typo: other sources call him Guérin le Chauve, etc. His wife Aimerie who
later married Rainald was _maybe_ the illegitimate daughter of Earl Roger's
elder brother Hugo de Montgomeri (murdered after 1040).

Peter Stewart


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