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From: "Chris Phillips" <>
Subject: Felton/Faucomberge: Part 2: Joan the wife of Walter Faucomberge
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 12:43:06 +0100


The second puzzle is the statement in the Northamptonshire inquisition post
mortem of the last John de Felton of Edlingham (d. 1403) that his heir was
John Faucomberge, aged 30 years and more, the son and heir of Walter
Faucomberge, knight, by Joan late his wife, the sister of John de Felton the
elder [John's father, d. 1396]. This would make Joan a full sister of John
the elder, and thus a daughter of William de Felton (d. 1358) by Isabel of
Fife. (In the other inquisitions, the heir to entailed lands was found to be
Elizabeth, the wife of Edmund Hastings, the half-sister of John (d. 1403).)

Rosie Bevan tracked down a likely John, son of Walter Faucomberge, and
provided the following pieces of information (among others):

(1) In the Nomina Villarum of 1316 Walter Fauconberg and and Henry Sampson
are returned as holding Appleton [Kirby's Quest, Surtees Soc Pub, v.49,
p.313 ].
(2) In the Yorkshire inquisition post mortem, taken January 1362/3, of
Walter, Lord Faucomberge (d. 1362), a John de Fauconberg of Bilton was
holding tenements of him in Apelton by the service a quarter of a knight's
fee [Cal IPM vol.11, no. 330].
(3) The Yorkshire inquisition post mortem, taken 30 May 1367, of John de
Faucomberge (d. 23 April 1366) shows him holding land in Bilton, Beghom and
Catwyk (of Isabel, late the wife of Walter de Faucomberge) and land in
Tharlesthorp, held in fee tail as kinsman and heir of one John de
Faucomberge and Ela his wife, who held it by gift of Simon Conestable,
knight, to John, with his daughter Ela in free marriage (the gift was before
the death of Avelina, countess of Aumale [d. 1274]).
The heir of John (d. 1366) was his son Walter, aged 16 and a half. John's
wife Alice survived him [Cal IPM vol.12, no. 110].
(4) The Yorkshire inquisition, c.1372, of Sir John Chaumont shows he was
holding a bovate of land in Apilton of Walter de Facomberg of Bilton [Cal
IPM vol.13, no. 172].
(5) The Yorkshire assignment of dower, 20 October 1408, of Joan, widow of
Thomas Faucomberge, knight, includes (in a very lengthy survey) the wardship
and marriage of John son of Walter Faucomberge of Bilton, for a quarter of a
knight's fee in Nun Appleton near Cawood [Cal IPM vol.19, no. 387].

The only apparent snag here is that (5) suggests John, the son of Walter
Faucomberge of Bilton, was under age in 1408, whereas the John, son of
Walter and Joan Faucomberge, mentioned in the inquisition post mortem of
John de Felton, is said to be aged 30 and more in 1403.

However, the following additional data show that Walter Faucomberge of
Bilton was married to a woman called Joan, and that they were both dead by
1385, so that the statement in 1408 must be incorrect (presumably it had
been copied from an earlier source):

(1) 12 May 1363 A transcript of a fine of the reign of Edward II, concerning
land in Helperthorp in Crandale, was exemplified at the request of Walter
son of John Faucomberge of Bilton and Joan his wife [Cal Pat R 1361-64,
p.338].
(2) 29 October 1383 Joan, daughter of John Chamont, held land in
Nonneapilton of Walter Faucomberge, knight [Cal IPM vol.15 no 970].
(3) Saturday after St Hilary 8 Richard II [14 January 1384/5] John Chaumont,
knight, at his death held land in Appilton of the heirs of Walter Faucomberg
of Bylton [Cal IPM vol.16 no 108].
(4)16 February 1384/5 A commission was issued to enquire what lands Walter
Faucomberge, knight, and Joan his wife, deceased, held of the king in chief,
or of Queen Anne, in the county of York [Cal. Pat R. 1381-85, p.592].
(5) 1 April 1389 The heir of Walter Faucomberg, knight, held a tenth part of
a knight's fee in Thurkylby and Helperthorp, of Edward de Sancto Johanne at
his death [Cal IPM vol.16 no 763].
(6) 30 October 1392 Thomas Faucomberge, Ralph Fitlyng and Thomas de
Thurkilby, chaplain, appear as executors of Walter Faucomberge of Bilton,
knight [Cal. Pat R 1391-96, p.254].
[In 1393 and 1398 there are references in the Calendar of Patent Rolls to
the heir or heirs of Walter Faucomberg or Fauconberg holding the wapentake
of Langebergh in fee farm; I'd guess this is the same Walter, though there's
no clear evidence of this.]

These references suggest that Walter's heir John had a fairly long minority
(though obviously it could not have lasted until 1308). I think John must
have been a lot younger than the age of 30 years and more given in the
inquisition of John de Felton.

One further record appears to take the descent of the Bilton Faucomberges
back to the 13th century:
20 November 1377. Henry de Percy, Earl of Northumberland [and others, who
from other sources appear to have been feoffees of the Lords Faucomberge]
were pardoned of the several trespasses committed in the acquisition of a
close containing a bovate of land, called "Gateryddynge" in Skelton in
Clyveland, by John de Faucomberg of Bilton from Walter Faucomberg who held
the same in chief of Edward I, by Walter son of the said John, by John son
of the said Walter and by the said Henry and the others named, who acquired
them [sic] from Thomas de Faucomberg, knight.

As Skelton was part of the inheritance of Agnes de Brus, wife of Sir Walter
de Faucomberge (d. 1304), this together with Rosie's number 3, and the
chronology of the grant to the first John in free marriage before 1274,
seems to establish the pedigree of the Faucomberges of Bilton as follows:

(1) Walter de Faucomberge (d. 1304)
= Agnes, dau of Sir Piers de Brus II
(2) [younger son] John de Faucomberge of Bilton
= Ela, daughter of Simon Constable, knight; married by 1374
(3) Walter de Faucomberge, living 1316
(4) John de Faucomberge of Bilton, d. 23 April 1366 leaving a widow Alice
(5) Walter de Faucomberge of Bilton, b.c.1350; d by Jan 1384/5
= Joan, daughter of William de Felton (d. 1358) and Isabel of Fife; Joan was
mar. by May 1363, and d. by Feb 1384/5
(6) John de Faucomberge, the heir of John de Felton in 1403

Chris Phillips


PS There's a severe danger of confusion, as the main Faucomberge line
produced at least two Walters around this time, one (d.1362) probably a
generation older than Walter of Bilton, and the other, Walter (d. 1415) son
of Roger, son of this Walter [CP vol.5, p.279, note e] a generation younger.

Not only that, but there's another Walter, at first sight a possible
candidate for the one mentioned in John de Felton's inquisition. Walter de
Faucomberge died 4 October 1362, holding a messuage in Pokeley as parcel of
the manor of Helmesley leaving a son and heir John, aged about three
quarters of a year [Cal IPM vol. 11, no 500]. However, the son John died 5
October 1368, leaving his sister Agnes, aged 22 years and more, as his heir
[Cal IPM vol.15, no 345].









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