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From: "gymhunk" <>
Subject: Re: Did a Gordon mother and her Ogilvy daughter marry the same man?
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 20:34:07 -0700
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Scots Peerage, Vol. IV, p. 536 states that John Gordon, son of George, 4th
Earl of Huntly and his wife Elizabeth Keith DID marry "shortly after July
1554, Elizabeth, natural daughter of Adam Gordon, Dean of Caithness, son of
Alexander, 1st Earl of Huntly and widow of Alexander Ogilvy of Desford (who
had conveyed all his estates to him.)"

That is confirmed on p. 525 of the same volume.

Article under Ogilvy, Earl of Findlater agrees with this (same volume, p.

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From: "Leo van de Pas" <>
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Subject: Did a Gordon mother and her Ogilvy daughter marry the same man?

> Burke's Peerage, 1938, page 2203, shows how Alexander Ogilvy of Deskford
married (1) Janet Abernethy (the one I could not find before) and (2)
Elizabeth Gordon, illegitimate daughter of Adam Gordon, Dean of Caithness
and a younger son of Alexander, 1st Earl of Huntly.
> Elizabeth, as widow of Alexander Ogilvy, married John Gordon of Ogilvy,
son of George Earl of Huntly. There is no indication of which
> Earl (2nd or 4th). If he is the son of the 2nd Earl, this would make them
first cousins. If it is the 4th Earl, then she would be a first cousin three
(!!) times removed of her second husband. BP 1938, page 2203, shows that
this John Gordon was excecuted 31 October 1562.
> Burke's Peerage, 1938, page 1360, does not give the 2nd Earl a son called
John. By the 4th Earl is recorded a 3rd son, Sir John, taken with his father
at Corrichie (in 1562) and executed. This tells that Elizabeth Gordon was a
first cousin three times removed to her second husband.
> The question arises, how much older was she? Her grandfather, Alexander
1st Earl of Huntly, died in 1470, he had married his second wife before 1440
and Adam, Elizabeth's father, was a third son.
> If we assume Adam was born in 1450, or later, and fathered Elizabeth
somewhere between 1480 and 1500, then Elizabeth would have been, at least
around 45 years older than her second husband who, in Wood's Peerage of
Scotland page 581, is described as an infant in 1545.
> Wood's Peerage of Scotland, page 581, creates another problem.
> Alexander Ogilvy and his second wife, "may" have had a daughter Margaret,
and she married Sir John Gordon (now second instead of third) son of George
4th Earl of Huntly. However, it tells quite clearly
> "The existence of this Margaret is, however, extremely doubtful; she is
not mentioned in the charters of Deskford and Findlater."
> I have guessed that Elizabeth Gordon was born, roughly, between 1480 and
1500, and that her second husband was an infant in 1545.
> This second husband was executed 31 October 1562, this means he was only
17 years or perhaps 18 or 19 years old when he was executed and married to
a, at least, 45 year older woman. Altogether there must be something wrong
with these details. Can anyone enlighten us?
> Many thanks.
> Leo van de Pas
> Canberra, Australia

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