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From: "Peter Sutton" <>
Subject: RE: Longford - Montgomery - Foljambe - Clarell - Gresley
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:58:12 +0100
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Rosie, Brice, Henry & W C Hollier

Many thanks for the messages you posted re the above.

Regards

Peter Sutton

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sutliff [mailto:]
> Sent: 09 July 2002 23:06
> To:
> Subject: RE: Longford - Montgomery - Foljambe - Clarell - Gresley
>
>
> Peter,
>
> Mardi Carter, Rosie Bevan and MichaelAnne Guido have done a lot of
> Longford research. Unfortunately, Mardi is off in Colorado until fall
> (and off-list as well) and I believe MichaelAnne is also otherwise
> involved. So if expert help is not forthcoming presently, you might try
> again in the fall. I expect Rosie will have seen this post and may
> already have replied to you.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Henry Sutliff
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Sutton [mailto:]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 7:47 AM
> To:
> Subject: Longford - Montgomery - Foljambe - Clarell - Gresley
>
>
> Is there anyone on the list who can comment on the following line:
>
> 1. Sir John Gresley d. 31 Jan 1486/7 (b. 1418)
>
> 2. Sir John Gresley = Elizabeth Clarell
>
> 3. Sir Thomas Clarell = Matilda Montgomery
>
> 4. Sir Nicholas Montgomery = Margaret Foljambe
>
> 5. Sir Nicholas Montgomery = Joan Longford (m. abt 1391)
>
> 6. Sir Nicholas Longford = Margaret Sulney
>
> According to Madam (The Gresleys of Drakelowe) Sir John Gresley was born
> in 1418 (from his father's IPM). His parents were Sir John Gresley and
> Elizabeth daughter of Sir Thomas Clarell by Matilda daughter of Sir
> Nicholas Montgomery. Madam quotes Gresley Charter 387 which is
> apparently a marriage settlement for Sir John Gresley and Matilda
> Clarell and the date is 1409-10. He also says that Matilda had a sister
> Margaret. In his pedigree of the Clarell family he shows Sir Thomas
> Clarell (d. 1442) as being married to Matilda, daughter of Sir Nicholas
> Montgomery by Margaret Foljambe.
>
> In "South Yorkshire" by Rev. Joseph Hunter, Republished in 1974, there
> is a pedigree of Clarell of Aldwark on page 53. This shows Thomas
> Clarell the elder drowned in the Don in 1442. Thomas Clarell his son
> and heir is described as being 40 years old and upwards. He gives the
> wife of Thomas Clarell the elder as being Maud daughter of Sir Nicholas
> Montgomery, lord of Marston and Cubley in Derbyshire, by Margaret his
> wife daughter of Godfrey Foljambe. He gives their daughter Elizabeth as
> marrying "Thomas" Gresley and having a sister Margaret.
>
> From Joseph Foster, Pedigrees of the county families of Yorkshire, vol.1
> (London, 1874). Sir Godfrey Foljambe father of "Margery" who married
> Thomas
> Clarell, is given as being born in 1343 and dying in 1375. "Margery's"
> brother was 21 and a half when he died in 12R2 and was therefore born
> about 1366. I would guess "Margery" or Margaret must have been born
> around 1370, and in any case no later than 1375. This pedigree goes on
> to say Margery Foljambe , married to Sir Nicholas Montgomery, of Cubley,
> Knt., ob. 30 Hen. 6, leaving a daughter and heiress, Matilda, married to
> Thomas Clarell, of Aldwarke, co. Ebor.
>
> I have not yet seen a sourced pedigree of the Montgomery family, and
> what I have seen is confusing. However, if Margaret Foljambe was born
> in 1370 she could not have married a man with parents who were only
> married in 1391, and still had children by him.
>
> Can anyone offer any corrections to the above line.
>
> Peter Sutton
>
>


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