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From: "Sutliff" <>
Subject: RE: Alice countess d'Eu of Sussex
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:12:27 -0700
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Hope you are not offended at my asking for sources for this
construction. Something is very wrong here and I am not sure how to help
you without knowing where this data came from. It varies widely with CP
and other sources. The children of Raoul/Ralph and Alice were:
Raoul/Ralph, Guarin, Maud and Joan. There was no marriage of Alice to
Simon de Echyngham (especially as Raoul/Ralph was still alive in 1218).
Alice's father died in 1183, which makes her birth almost certainly
before that date. Her marriage to Raoul/Ralph occurred in 1191.
Consequently, she was likely 40 or more at Raoul/Ralph's death which
makes children from a subsequent proposed marriage less likely. As best
I can tell, Alice remained in France after Raoul/Ralph's death until her
own death at La Mothe-Saint-Heray in Poitou on 15 May 1246. Please see
Alice's biography at CP V:160-6.

Henry Sutliff

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From: CHARLOTTE SMITH [mailto:]
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 1:21 PM
Subject: Alice countess d'Eu of Sussex

I have found that Alice, Countess of Eu was married first to Raoul
Lusignan and then second to Simon de about 1218. They had
at least 1 daughter Sybelle who married as a child about 1225 to
William Saint Leger.. Did the sons of Simon,: William and Simon belong
to Alice also . The dates for the sons could be correct for this.
Charlotte Smith

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