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From: "Patricia Junkin" <>
Subject: Re: de Thouars and de Faye (Bramley, Surrey) in 'DD' - ?
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:52:10 -0400

Have been away and so hope that I may jump in here and ask a question about
the Ventadour. Was this family in Surrey? I descend from the de Fays through
the Wyntershull connection to the Bysshe line. In a 1250 deed of William
Venator [VCH finds another origination of this name but there is similarity]
among the witnesses is John de Bisse of Bysshe Court Horne. In 1356,
Bartholomew de Burghersh died seized of the tenements called La Bysh in
Horne and "Hurle", a capital messuage...held of the heir of Hugh le
Was the Raoul/Ralph presentation on list or in private email? I'll search
the archives.
Thank you.

>From: Cristopher Nash <>
>Subject: Re: de Thouars and de Faye (Bramley, Surrey) in 'DD' - ?
>Date: Sun, Jul 21, 2002, 7:53 AM

> John thanks grandly for this. I feel your presentat. of the
> Raoul/Ralph relationship is cool -- pitched just right -- and I love
> the Ventadour connection, which I'd never seen. (Always been a
> distant fan of Ebles II.)
> (I must admit that note 19 [Paul Theroff, "De Geneva Family,
> Counts of Toulouse," Paul Theroff's Dynastic Genealogy Tables,
>] didn't
> actually yield the Faye/Ventadour info I'd anticipated - maybe
> Paul T's changed his text since you were there.)
> As to that moussaka - it's the raki that's got me singing like Ebles.
> BTW - I think your proposal on the mysterious Hawise -- <The Kindred
> of Hugh le Despenser (revisited)> -- is intriguing....
> Cheers ever,
> Cris
>>Dear Cris,
>> Welcome back! We were wondering where in the Hellas you'd been......I
>>hope you found the moussaka to your liking.
>> As I see it, there is nothing 'new' on the de Faye/Bramley front. Of
>>course, from a Clintonian perspective one person's 'new' is another's 'knew'.
>> But I digress.
>> By a separate email, I will forward the .rtf file I had sent to Adrian
>>earlier. If you spy something 'new' (or questionable), please advise.
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