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From: "Stewart, Peter" <>
Subject: Dampierre-Richebourg
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 10:56:34 +1000


According to ES, Guy de Dampierre, seigneur of Richebourg (test April 1345)
married first (presumably after 1312 when her first husband died) Marie
d'Enghien, burggravine of Ghent & dame of Zotteghem (died 1318), widow of
Hugues V d'Antoing, seigneur of Epinoy, daughter of Gérard II d'Enghien,
seigneur of Zotteghem & Marie, burggravine of Ghent. Guy maried secondly in
October 1321 (as her second husband) Béatrix, dame of Putten & Strijen (died
1354), widow of his first wife's brother Hugues I d'Enghien, seigneur of
Zotteghem, daughter (according to Warlop) of Nicolas III, seigneur of Putten
& Aleyd, dame of Strijen.

The second wife is supposed to have been mother of Guy's daughter & heiress
Alix (aka Alips, Adela), dame of Richebourg (born after June 1322, died
1346) who married as his first wife Jean I, count of Luxembourg in Ligny &
Roussy (died 17 May 1364). ES says this marriage took place in 1330, while
Léon Vanderkindere says 1333 [in _La Formation territoriale des principautés
belges au moyen âge_, 2 vols, second edition (Brussels, 1902)]. However,
Vanderkindere gives a different mother for Alix - stated to be Isabelle de
Bar, daughter of Thibaut II, count of Bar & his second wife Jeanne de Toucy.
According to ES, this Isabelle occurs in 1295 but no marriage is shown for
her.

It is hard to see how ES can be right about the mother of Alix and her
consequent lifespan from mid-1322 at the earliest to 1346. In the table for
her husband's family she is given as the mother of nine children, remarkable
for a woman dying at ca 24 years of age, and the earliest of their
marriages is dated to ca August 1344. Her eldest son is stated to have
married in 1354, fathering a son born in 1357. This tight chronology isn't
impossible, of course, but suspicious to me especially as Alix's purported
mother Béatrix of Putten had no heirs by her first marriage and yet neither
Alix nor any of her children is stated to have inherited Putten & Strijen
from her.

Does anyone know of proof as to the two (or perhaps three) marriages of Guy
of Richebourg and his daughter's maternity?

Peter Stewart


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