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From: Kay Allen AG <>
Subject: Re: Ray Phair discovers proof of Countess Ida
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 19:21:14 -0700
References: <20020706194733.58884AE9B@smtp-test.cshore.com>


Pantulfs were succeeded by the Botelers.

K

Rick Eaton wrote:

> Thanks, Adrian. I will check the Phair message.
>
> BTW, I thought, that it was commonly accepted that Ralph
> Bigod was the son of Roger.
>
> I have been hunting for more information about Ralph
> because, as I recall, he succeeded the Pantulphs as baron of
> Wem and, "by gift" to Peter peverel (for whom I have been
> able to find virtually nothing) granted the wardship of
> Peter de Eyton, ultimately knight, lord of
> Eyton-on-the-Wealdmoors, Shropshire, and an apparent
> descendant of William Pantulf, first baron of Wem. The
> Eytons, at domesday and apparently before, held several
> manors, including Eyton-on-the-Wealdmoors under the barons
> of Wem.
>
> As previously, if anyone has even the slightest relevant
> information in the above regard, I would appreciate very
> much having it posted.
> Rick Eaton
>
> Voice: 203.453.6261 Fax:203.453.0076
>
>
>
> ----------
> >From:
> >To:
> >Subject: Re: Ray Phair discovers proof of Countess Ida
> >Date: Sat, Jul 6, 2002, 2:33 PM
> >
>
> > Rick Eaton wrote,
> >
> >> Snippet:
> >> > It was pointed out to me,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> It would seem that the evidence in question is the reference
> > from
> >> > the
> >> >> registers of Philip Augustus which identified Ralph Bigod as a
> >> > brother of
> >> >> the Earl of Salisbury.
> >>
> >> Then, who, in this case, would be the earl of Salisbury?
> >> And what is the time frame?
> >>
> >> Rick Eaton
> >>
> >> Voice: 203.453.6261 Fax:203.453.0076
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > You need to check Ray Phair's message of 3 July, subject "Countess
> > Ida,
> > Bigod, Longespee" (I am not sure if this got through the gateway,
> I
> > had to
> > get a copy from the archives)
> >
> > In that message, you will find that Ray has found evidence that
> > Ralph Bigod
> > was [half] brother of William Longespee earl of Salisbury and that
> > this Ralph
> > Bigod was most probably the son of Roger Bigod (-1221) 2nd earl of
> > Norfolk.
> >
> > Adrian
> >
> >


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