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From: The Williams Family <>
Subject: Re: The Henry Project -- One Year Later
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 07:30:40 -0700
I was basing this ancestry on the genealogical tables in the "Oxford Dictionary of
Byzantium" (Oxford: the University Press, 1991), particuarly the Komnenoi table on p. 1145 of
Vol. 2. It listed the Eudokia who married Guillaume VIII as a daughter of Isaac Komnenos,
sebastokrator, and his second wife Irene Diplosynadene.
What is your source for Eudokia being a daughter of Alexios?
Kelsey J. Williams
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Clagett, Brice [mailto:]
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> > Subject: The Henry Project -- One Year Later
> > Kelsey Williams refers to the "Syadenos family on [the] mother's
> > side" of Eudokia Komnena.
> > According to ES 2:177, Eudokia's mother was Maria Dukaina.
> > Could Mr. Williams post what he knows a bout Eudokia's maternal
> > ancestry, with sources if possible?
> Eudokia (renamed Maria) Komnene who married (in 1178/9) Guilhem VIII, count
> of Montpellier was daughter of Alexios Komnenos, protostrator &
> protosebastos, lover of Empress Maria & leader of her regency council (born
> 1136, murdered as a prisoner 1183) and his wife Maria, who was described as
> "doukoblastos" (bud of the Doukas stem), although not otherwise recorded as
> the daughter of any specific member of that family.
> Possibly this Eudokia is being confused with her namesake who married first
> (at Veroli in 1170) Odone Frangipani (died ca 1176) and secondly (in 1179)
> Guelfo di Paganello (di Porcaria). This Eudokia was daughter of Isaakios
> Komnenos, sebastokrator and his wife Eirene, daughter of a man surnamed
> (Diplo)Synadenos & an unknown mother.
> Peter Stewart