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From: "Phil Moody" <>
Subject: Re: Danish Haralds in 9th century Frisia
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:21:52 -0500
Stewart Baldwin wrote:
> Over the last few years, I have become aware of other recent accounts
> giving the basic genealogy of these ninth century kings, two of them
> (by Sawyer and Maund) from the early 1990's of which I was unaware
> when I wrote my account, and two others (by Coupland and Cutler) that
> have appeared more recently (and I thank Jack Brown for giving me the
> URL for Cutler's article and for providing me with a copy of
> Coupland's and Sawyer's articles).
> Peter Sawyer, "Kings and Royal Power", Jysk Arkæologisk Selskabs
> Skrifter 22 (1991), 282-8.
PLM: Did Jack happen to give me credit for supplying him with Peter Sawyer's
essay? I in fact, mentioned this article in an e-mail which I posted to you,
Stewart. Quoted in full below:
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 09:34:01 EDT
Subject: Re: Olaf III 'Skotkonung' Eriksson
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Although I would regard this as one possibility, I lean in a different
direction. My suggestion is as follows: Erik was married to Sigrid, by
she had Olaf. Svend was married twice, first to Gunhild, sister of Boleslaw
of Poland, by whom he had sons Harald and Knud. After Erik's death, Svend
married Sigrid, by whom he had the daughter Estrid who was mother of Svend
PLM: Stewart, I'm glad to see you giving the Scandinavian sources some
credit. I think we should remember that Erik married more than once; unless
you believe that Holmfrid was also the daughter of Sigrid.
Holmfrid married Jarl Swein Hakonson and they had Gunhild, the spouse
Sven Estridson. I do find it perplexing that Adam of Bremen has Jarl Hakon's
lineage all muddled up when it is supposedly derived from Svend Estridson.
I have not read Adam of Bremen's work but I do feel as though many rely
on it to heavily. Peter Sawyer wrote in_Hovdingesamfund og Kongemagt_(Kings
and Royal Power) that [Adam of Bremen's account of the Danish rulers in the
early tenth century cannot be trusted in detail].
I would go even further and say that Adam cannot be trusted throughout
the tenth century.
PLM: This reference resulted in many requests for Dr. Sawyer's essay off
list; Jack Brown and Todd Farmerie being two recipients, off the top of my
head. Here is another e-mail I sent to the group:
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 15:12:27 EDT
Subject: Hovdingesamfund og Kongemagt
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I have now sent this to three individuals signally and it is becoming
time consuming and very redundant. I shall then wait until I have several
requests for Peter Sawyer's work before uploading it again. My apologies for
the inconvenience and thank you for your patience.
Now, this article was mentioned in a corresponance from Peter Sawyer
himself, and Pia Rink of Copenhagn kindly copied this article for me, and
sent it to me via snail mail, at my request; so I went to great lengths to
acquire this essay, and making it available to those who wanted to read it,
and I don't appreciate ingrates who don't give credit where credit is due.
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Subject: Danish Haralds in 9th century Frisia
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