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Subject: Re: Two Ida Longespee's: Same Generation
Date: 14 Sep 2002 09:38:17 GMT
>The arrangement for the marriage of the second WIlliam Longespee was in
1216.If he were at least age 7 by that time, he would be born by 1209 (after
The second William Longespee married Idoine de Camville. Farrer (Honors and
Knights' Fees 2:222) says that the King rendered the lands of her father on 12
May 1226, to both William and Idoine, she being of full age. He cites R. Lit.
Claus 2:110b, 123 [Close Rolls]. In that same year, the sheriff of Oxford was
directed to give William Lungespee, son of the late Earl, acquittance of
scutage demanded from the knights fees the late Earl held of his wardship of
the daughter and heir of Richard de Camvill and her lands, and to suspend the
sheriff's demand for an ox for seisin of the late Richard de Camvill.
Now, my understanding is that even if the wife was of full age, if her husband
was a minor, her lands would have been held of his lord, once married. He
could not have received livery of seisin of her lands until he was age 21.
Would this not indicate that though William Longespee II was a minor (according
to CP) on 7 March 1225/6, he was of age by 12 May 1226? That would narrow his
birth to IN 1205. Couldn't he have a grandson born in 1247?
Adrian said it was the first Ida who married William de Beauchamp of Bedford
and died about 1268, and the second who married Walter Fitz Robert. Do I have
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