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From: "Sutliff" <>
Subject: Re: CP Error ? Stanley Family and Ronny Bodine
Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 20:06:43 GMT
For point of information only, Thomas Tunstall and Isabel Harington had a
son named Nicholas. I don't think this can be used as onomastic evidence of
anything, but I did not find another Nicholas in the Tunstall family in the
few previous generations.
"Chris Phillips" <> wrote in message
> Leo van de Pas wrote:
> > In CP Volume XII/1 page 250 Sir John Stanley marries "Isabel daughter of
> John and sister of Sir William de Haryngton."
> > Burke's Peerage calls her father Robert.
> > Ronny Bodine in his wonderful book on ancestors of Dorothea Poyntz, nr.
> 629 Isabel Harington, is marked off as daughter of
> > 1258. Sir Nicholas de Harington, born circa 1344
> > 1259 Isabella English
> > Can anyone verify who are the proper parents of Isabel de
> This has been discussed several times recently.
> Brice Clagett, 2nd July, suggested that the correct parentage was "Sir
> Nicholas Harington (1346/7-1403), of Farleton in Kendall, Co. Westmorland,
> and Farleton in Melling, in Lonsdale, Lancashire, and his first wife,
> English." In support of this he pointed out that early references to the
> marriage associated Isabel with Hornby, and said that the first Harington
> hold Hornby was Sir Nicholas's son Sir William K.G. (d. 1440), who
> it by marriage.
> This conclusion seems to be supported by the 3rd and 3rd degree
> consanguinity found between Sir John Boteler and Margaret, widow of Sir
> William Troutbeck. Apparently Margaret's paternal grandmother was the
> mentioned above, while Sir John's maternal grandfather was Sir William
> On the other hand, Hap Sutliff, 17 October, pointed out a possible
> difficulty in that visitation pedigrees show Nicholas having a daughter
> Isabel marrying Thomas Tunstall of Thurland (d. 1415).
> Chris Phillips