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From: (Douglas Richardson)
Subject: Re: Countess Ida, mother of William Longespee, Earl of Salisbury
Date: 8 Dec 2002 08:17:23 -0800
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Dear Adrian ~

Thank you for your good post. I discussed the connection between the
Tony, Akeny, de la Mare, and Mohun families in a previous post. A
copy of my earlier post appears below. I believe my earlier post
answers the question you posed in your post of this week.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

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(Douglas Richardson) wrote in message news:<>...
> Dear Newsgroup ~
>
> In my last post, I presented new evidence which links Earl Roger
> Bigod, husband of Countess Ida, to members of the Tony family,
> specifically Ada de Chaumont, widow of Roger de Tony, Jr., and her
> son, Baldwin de Tony. I showed that sometime in or before 1188, Ada
> de Tony with her son, Baldwin's consent, gave land at East Bergholt,
> Suffolk for the site of a religious house. Earl Roger Bigod (husband
> of Countess Ida) similarly gave property also at East Bergholt to
> Dodnash Priory. East Bergholt is known to have been the maritagium of
> Ida of Hainault, wife of Roger de Tony, Sr.
>
> The surviving Dodnash Charters indicate that Ada and Baldwin de Tony
> were eventually succeeded at East Bergholt, Suffolk by a certain Roger
> de Akeny. The editor of Dodnash Priory Charters makes no explanation
> for Roger de Akeny's appearance in the chain of title. The editor of
> VCH Oxford 5 (1957): 138 states that the exact relationship between
> the Tonys and the Akenys is not known. However, it would appear that
> Roger de Akeny was actually the son of Baldwin de Tony. The evidence
> for this is slim, but compelling. Complete Peerage, 14 (1998): 614
> indicates that Baldwin de Tony's father, Roger, was seigneur of
> Acquiny in France. The book Origins of Some Anglo-Norman Families by
> L.C. Loyd (1951), pg. 2 affirms that the castle of Acquiny in France
> "was in the hands of the lords of Tony." Presumably, as with some of
> their English possessions, the castle of Acquiny was settled on a
> younger son of the family, Roger de Tony, Jr., whose descendants
> eventually adopted the surname Acquiny. That the Akeny and Tony
> families are from the same stock is indicated by the fact that Roger
> de Akeny sealed with a maunch, the same heraldic device found on the
> Tony arms. For Roger de Akeny's previously unnoticed seal, see
> Dodnash Priory Charters, pg. 78. For the early Tony arms bearing the
> maunch, see Rolls of Arms Henry III (Harleian Soc. Pubs., vol.s.
> 113-114) (1967), pp. 24-35, 64.
>
> Following Roger de Akeny's death c. 1241, his lands were divided
> between his two sons-in-law, Matthew and Pain de la Mare [see Complete
> Peerage, 8 (1932): 463-464, chart following). Matthew and Pain de la
> Mere were subsequently succeeded by their sons, both named John de la
> Mere. Brault's book, Roll of Arms: Edward I (1272-1307), pg. 280
> shows that one of these John de la Mere's bore for his arms, Gules a
> maunch argent, while the other bore, Gules a maunch ermine. Their
> cousins, Robert de Tony and John de Mohun, bore virtually identical
> arms, they being Argent a maunch gules and Gules, a maunch argent
> ermine (see Brault, pg. 536). That the Tony, Akeny, de la Mare, and
> Mohun families all bore a maunch is a testimony to their common
> ancestry.
>
> Is there any evidence to link William Longespee to the Akeny family?
> Yes, there is. Red Book of the Exchequer, Part II (1896), pg. 804
> gives an enrollment of various knights' fees. Under Essex, the
> following statement is found:
>
> "Rogerus de Akymy [Akeny] tenet in Bradewell ij carucatas terrae quae
> fuerent Roberti de Sancto Remigio et Willelmi Bacun, Normanorrum; et
> valent per annum £x. Quam [terram] Rex Johannes dedit fratri sup
> Willelmo de Longaspata, et idem Comes praedicto Rogero."
>
> The above text states that "Roger de Akeny holds in Bradwell, Essex 2
> carucates of land which were previously owned by Robert de St. Remy
> and William Bacon, Normans, and the value per year is £10, which land
> King John gave to his brother, William Longespee, and the said Earl
> [gave it] to the said Roger." By my arrangement of the family, Roger
> de Akeny would be the son of William Longespee's first cousin, Baldwin
> de Tony.
>
> There is also evidence to link William de Longespee's sons, William
> and Stephen, to Roger de Akeny's heirs, the de la Mares. Complete
> Peerage 8 (1932) chart following pg. 464 shows that Matthew de la Mare
> witnessed an indenture dated 1245-6 of a charter from William
> Longespee the younger to his brother, Stephen. Matthew de la Mare was
> the husband of Florence de Akeny, daughter and co-heiress of Roger de
> Akeny.
>
> As for associations between the Akeny and Mohun families, I show that
> a Brother Baldwin de Akeny (a clerk) witnessed a charter in 1273 for
> the Preceptory of Duxford in Cambridgeshire. In 1308, the Perceptor
> of this religious house was John de Mohun [see VCH Cambridge, 2
> (1948): 262].
>
> More evidence can be adduced to show the tie between the Longespee and
> Tony/Akeny families. However, I believe the above gives a good
> overview of the pattern found in the records.
>
> Comments are invited.
>
> Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
>
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wrote in message news:<>...
> Doug Richardson wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > Specifically, Dodnash Priory Charters (1998), pg. 78, includes a
> > charter issued by Roger de Akeny, in which he sealed with a maunch,
> > which is the same heraldic device employed by the Tony family on their
> > arms.
> <snip>
>
> I don't suppose the tinctures are given? St George's Roll (c1285) gives
> Dakney arms as Azure a cross between four lions rampant or., but perhaps
> there were other shield(s) used by the de Akeny
>
> There are a number of shields depicting a maunch, in particular one of the
> (de la) Mare family shields: Gules a maunch argent, compare to the Tony
> family Argent a maunch gules, ie identical but reversed tinctures.
>
> regards,
> Adrian

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