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From: "D. Spencer Hines" <>
Subject: Re: Countess Ida, Mother Of William Longespee, Earl of Salisbury
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 20:31:29 -0000
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Yes, that's true ---- which makes William 'The Lion' of Scotland a 2nd
cousin, once removed, of William Longespee himself.

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""Leo van de Pas"" <> wrote in message
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|
| Dear Douglas,
| Thank you for your interesting posting. Actually I feel you are
looking at
| it correctly but from the wrong angle. William the Lion was a second
cousin
| (our counting) of Henry II of England, the father of William
Longespee,
| which might be a closer link than via the Tony family.
| Best wishes
| Leo van de Pas
| Canberra, Australia
|
| > ----- Original Message -----
| > From: "Douglas Richardson" <>
| > To: <>
| > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 2:56 AM
| > Subject: Re: Countess Ida, mother of William Longespee, Earl of
Salisbury
| >
| >
| > > Dear John ~
| > >
| > > Thank you for your good post. Actually I do have an idea of
something
| > > which may give another indication of Countess Ida's identity.
| > >
| > > As I recall, Countess Ida's son, William Longespee, was requested
to
| > > escort William the Lion, King of Scotland, to a meeting with King
| > > John. I suspect this escort consisted of men who were blood
related
| > > to William the Lion through his English ancestry. If William
| > > Longespee's mother was a Tony, he would be blood related to
William
| > > the Lion, as both the Tony family and the Scottish royal family
| > > descended from Countess Judith, niece of William the Conqueror.
The
| > > escort obviously had to be people of trustworthiness to guarantee
the
| > > safefy of the Scottish king. Who better than the Scottish king's
own
| > > blood kinsmen to form such an escort?
| > >
| > > As such, it seems a good avenue to locate the list of men who were
| > > asked to escort William the Lion to meet with King John. As I
recall,
| > > William the Lion had two such meetings. It probably wouldn't be a
bad
| > > idea to get both lists. Perhaps someone with some time on their
hands
| > > can volunteer to find these lists.
| > >
| > > If Countess Ida were a Tony, it would explain not only why her
son,
| > > William Longespee, was chosen to escort William the Lion, but also
why
| > > she and her husband, Roger Bigod, and her son, William Longespee,
| > > appear in the early medieval source, Liber Vitae Ecclesiae
| > > Dunelmensis. As a Tony she would have been blood related to the
| > > Scottish king. The monks in this source seem to have been
interested
| > > in families that had links to the Scottish royal family, such as
| > > Duncan, Earl of Fife, and his wife, Ada. Families with English
royal
| > > connections seem to have been overlooked.
| > >
| > > Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah


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