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Subject: Re: Re: Brusse, Rollo, Wm, et al
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 22:48:26 -0500
"malinda" wrote:
PLM: From Trondheim, Norway extending Northward. Some believe Trondheim was named after a Halogaland King by the name of Trond; which would suggest that the territory of Halogaland was considerably larger at one time. Naumdal is the district between Trondheim and Halogaland, IIRC.
Cheers,
Phil
>
> From: "malinda" <>
> Date: 2002/12/09 Mon PM 03:08:20 EST
> To: "Phil Moody" <>,
> <>
> Subject: Re: Brusse, Rollo, Wm, et al
>
> Where are Naumu Dale and Halogaland ?
> ~malinda
>
>
>
> From: "Phil Moody" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 12:07 PM
> Subject: Re: Brusse, Rollo, Wm, et al
>
>
> > "Todd A. Farmerie" wrote:
> >
> > > > An alternate ancestry . . .
> > >
> > > An alternative mythology, by the looks of it.
> > >
> > > taf
> >
> > PLM: I concur. The Haleygjatal does not supprort Rollo coming from this
> > line. Perhaps she would like to tell us "exactly" what ES has to say on
> the
> > subject. To my knowledge, I am the only one who believes Grjotgard's
> father
> > Herlaug is synonymous with king Herlaug of Naumu Dale, who coincidentally
> > had a brother named Hrollaug who submitted to Harald and became Earl,
> > instead of co-king of Naumu Dale. However, I will need more evidense than
> > this before I will entertain the notion that Rollo was a descendant of the
> > kings of Halogaland.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Phil
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Todd A. Farmerie" <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 8:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: Brusse, Rollo, Wm, et al
> >
> >
> > > Annie Natalelli-Waloszek wrote:
> > > >
> > > > For those interested in wrestling with the ancestry & descent
> > > > of the Rognvalds again, there is this bit I just rediscovered
> > > > from ES; As you can see, this reputable source makes Eynar &
> > > > Rollo sons of Rognvald, Eynar being gr grandfather of Brussi,
> > > > alleged companion of Rollo(Hrolfr)
> > >
> > > ES is not reputable for this - the information (and all
> > > information on the subject) derives directly from the Orkneyinga
> > > Saga. Just because ES copies it from OS does not somehow
> > > 'launder' the OS information, making it suddenly reliable.
> > >
> > > > Comparing this line with another reputable source, Scots
> > > > Peerage, gives us the detail : Rognvald hin Riki (the mighty)
> > >
> > > Scots Peerage is likewise drawing this straight from OS, and is
> > > no more reliable than the original.
> > >
> > > > had Torf-Einar, illegitimate son, who had Throfin Hausakljuf,
> > > > who had Lodver, who had Sigurd the Stout, who had Jarl Brusi
> > > > father of Rognvald who had Ulf / reputedly became Rbt I Brus
> > >
> > > You have presented no evidence whatsoever that Rognvald had any
> > > children, let alone a son Ulf. Likewise, the silliness about Ulf
> > > becoming Robert is completely unsupportable.
> > >
> > > > The problem of time is overcomable;
> > >
> > > Only if you ignore the actual facts.
> > >
> > > > Torf Einar as half-bro
> > > > Rollo, means that his gr grandson Brusi travelled with a man
> > > > the age of at least 60-70 years old,
> > >
> > > You perhaps might want to bridge this logical chasm. The fact
> > > that Torf Einar and Hrolf were half brothers gives no indication
> > > of the relative ages of Brusi and Rollo.
> > >
> > > > which is not an unusual
> > > > age for a seasoned battle chief to still be active... so
> > > > this is a fair proof, until something better comes along...
> > >
> > > Perhaps I missed the 'proof' part in this paragraph.
> > >
> > > Sigurd the Stout, the great-great-nephew of Hrolf, died in 1013,
> > > still a vigorous man, 80 years after the death of Rollo (which,
> > > considering the number of generations, is reasonable). His son
> > > Brussi lived another two decades, until about 1040. How could a
> > > man who was still alive in the 1030s have fought with a man who
> > > died over 100 years earlier? The simple answer is, he couldn't have.
> > >
> > > > An alternate ancestry . . .
> > >
> > > An alternative mythology, by the looks of it.
> > >
> > > taf
> > >
> >
>
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