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From: "Leo van de Pas" <>
Subject: Re: Lady Godiva Admired
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 04:24:27 +1100
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Dear Doug,

Do I read you correctly? You have a student who is a descendant of George
Washington?
What does he/she know that nobodyy else does? Surely it is a relation not a
descendant?
Leo

----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug McDonald" <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: Lady Godiva Admired


>
>
> "D. Spencer Hines" wrote:
> >
> > Subject line changed. We would not want to "dissect" a beautiful woman.
> >
> > Leo, are you saying that anyone descended from Gilbert de Lacy, who
reportedly
> > died in 1230, and his wife Isabel Bigod ---- are descendants of Lady
Godiva?
> >
> > If so, that's a whole gaggle of us. <g>
> >
>
> yes, but the critical generation is earlier, Bertha of Hereford, m.
> William de Braose
>
> For example, the line to Robert II of Scotland branches off there, as
> do many, many lines that royally speaking get only Henry I (who was not
> a Godiva descendent).
>
>
> Yes, a gaggle. A recent student of mine mentioned that he was a
> descendent of George Washington. He had no idea that he was therefore
> a descendent of a vast array of Kings and Queens, but he was
> particularly amused by Lady Godiva.
>
>
> Here's a (stolen) descendent tree. Lots of well-discussed (in s.g.m)
> people
> appear in this table.
>
>
> Descendants of Bertha of Hereford
>
> 1 Bertha of Hereford 1130 -
> +William de Braose Lord of Abergavenny - 1179
> 2 Bertha de Braose
> +Walter de Beauchamp - 1216
> 3 Walcheline (Walter) de Beauchamp - 1236
> +Joan de Mortimer - 1225
> 4 William de Beauchamp Lord of Elmsley 1215 -
> 1267/68
> +Isabel Mauduit 1227 - 1268
> 2 William de Braose Lord of Abergavenny - 1211
> +Maud de St Valerie
> 3 Reynold de Braose Lord of Abergavenny - 1227
> +Grecia Briegeurre
> 4 William de Braose Lord of Abergavenny 1197 -
> 1230
> +Eva Marshal - 1246
> *2nd Wife of Reynold de Braose Lord of Abergavenny:
> +Glwadys Dhu (of Wales) 1194 - 1251
> 3 Margaret de Braose - 1255
> +Walter de Lacy Lord of Meath - 1239/40
> 4 Egidia (Jill) de Lacy - 1243
> +Richard de Burgh Lord of Connaught - 1242/43
> 4 Katherine de Lacy
> 4 Pernel de Lacy - 1288
> +Ralph VI de Toni 1190 - 1239
> 4 Gilbert de Lacy 1208 - 1230
> +Isobel Bigod 1210 -
> 3 Giles de Braose Bishop of Hereford - 1215
> 3 Eleanor de Braose - 1240/41
> +Hugh de Mortimer - 1227
> 3 Maud (or Susan) de Braose
> 3 William de Braose - 1210
> +Matilda de St Clare
> 4 John de Braose Lord of Bramber & Gower 1198 -
> 1232
> +Margaret ferch Llewelyn ap Iowerth
> 3 Laurette de Braiose - 1265/66
> +Robert de Bellomont Earl of Leicester - 1204
> 2 Sibilla de Braose - 1227/28
> +William de Ferrers Earl of Derby - 1190
> 3 Pernell de Ferrers
> +Hervey de Stafford - 1237
> 4 Robert de Stafford Lord of Stafford - 1261
> +Alice Corbet - 1261
> 4 Hervey de Stafford - 1241
> +Mabel de Muscegros
> 3 William de Ferrers Earl of Derby 1170 - 1247
> +Agnes de Kivelioc - 1247
> 4 William de Ferrers Earl of Derby 1193 - 1253/54
> +Sibilla Marshal
> *2nd Wife of William de Ferrers Earl of Derby:
> +Margaret de Quency - 1280/81
>
>
> Doug McDonald
>
>


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