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From: "AGeorgeSand" <>
Subject: Re: Question on validity
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:12:08 +0100
"Well, as you pointed out, we've already got a Gollum skulking about
here; I thought bringing in Frodo might help..."
That's Golem, and smile when you say that mister...
a Golem was considered quite a kabalistic achievement...
"you should be so lucky"... or so competent...
Why Frodo? has Golem lost his ring? check the clapper...
Can he talk? it seems that the hard part, was to endow them with speech...
The first mention of the Golem, in kabalic literature, is by two wise men studying the Sephir Yetsira, one named Rava (299-353) founder of the Babylonian Académie of Méh'ouza, who is quoted as saying
"A Just one can create a world at will"...(Sanhédrin 65b) The other was Rav Zéra, known as" the Babylonien saint" (H'oulin 122a) who was reputedly so concentrated, that he could walk on fire without burns...
These two worked together 3 years with the Sephir Yetsira, & began by creating a calf (hebrews had a thing with Calfs, that seems to go back to Egypt & Hathor, or an obsession with nursing -- in any case, this striking coincidence with the more recent Dolly, product of the Christian lamb symbolism & an obsession with imitating Christ & or one another, which led to cloning, rather than creation...) But they had the unfortunate idea of killing it to serve at a feast, & so lost all their powers, & had to work three more years to recuperate them...
The Talmud, (Sanhédrin 65b) tells us that "Rava created a man" & sent it to Rav Zera... who found that the androïde couldnt (wouldnt) answer his questions (wasnt omniscient? or just no voice?), so he realized it was just a Golem, & said : "return to dust" which it obligingly did...
The Séphir Bahir (196) explains that the Golem could not speak, because of Rava's tenacious submission to certain sins (not specified)...
The expression "Rava created a man", in hebrew," Raba Bara Gbara" was mutated over the years in the telling, into our children's formula "abracadabra" which is itself a hebrew formula "Abra kadabra", meaning : "I create as I speak"... because the theme of creation by the Word is a fondamental kabalist concept, (whence Jesus, a hebrew scholar, took his surname "The Word")... Abra Kadabra is also redolent of the kabbalistic idea of the primogenitor of the human race, Adam Kadmon, who's description in early apocryphical writings is more fantastic than even Speilberg could put on the screen, but I bet he's working on it...
Just thought you might like to know that...
interesting about the 12th-century genealogy of 100
monastic serfs , too...
De : Nathaniel Taylor <>
À : <>
Date : jeudi 19 décembre 2002 03:32
Objet : Re: Question on validity
In article <email@example.com>,
"Chris Phillips" <> wrote:
>Nathaniel Taylor wrote:
>> You might be interested in a study of a 12th-century genealogy of 100
>> monastic serfs I have put on line at:
>> It is a genealogical island (nothing to link it to others, to my
>> knowledge), but it interesting nonetheless.
>Many thanks for pointing that out (and for making it available online). It
>looks very interesting.
>I can only speculate what the denizens of soc.genealogy.britain would make
>of "Count Frodo", so close to the release of the next instalment of "Lord of
Well, as you pointed out, we've already got a Gollum skulking about
here; I thought bringing in Frodo might help...
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