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From: "Vickie Elam White" <>
Subject: Re: Re-dating William Longespee's Birth
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 16:51:07 -0500
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Paul C. Reed wrote --

>e) Not only did Richard give the order for his servants to
>turn over Kirton, a >valuable and important manor in
>Lincolnshire, to William in 1191, he did it from Messina,
>and William Longespee THEN appeared in 1191 ON
>THE PIPE ROLLS.
>
>Douglas, how do yo uin terpret and explain this? In those
>other grants you discuss did the grantees IMMEDIATELY
>account for the land in the Pipe Rolls?


I think this is important to determining William's birthdate. As I asked
in another thread, was Kirton-in-Lindsey released (turned over, as you
say) to William in 1191 or granted to him in 1191? Or granted and
immediately released?

Appearing immediately on the Pipe Rolls certainly seems to indicate
he was not a minor.


Vickie Elam White


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