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From: (Douglas Richardson)
Subject: Re: OT - A Matter of Honor Was Re: Death Date Of Philip FitzRoy...OT
Date: 15 Jan 2003 07:38:35 -0800
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Dear Hap ~

Roz is ENTIRELY CORRECT. Mr. Hines is just looking for a "freebie."
I've never promised Spencer Hines anything, other than to autograph
his book. The request to autograph his book was made by Spencer Hines
himself. I graciously said I would comply with that request. As soon
as Mr. Hines produces a valid check for $60.00, he can obtain a copy
of the book just like anyone else. Simple as that.

Your statement that I have "repeatedly promised (in this forum) a free
book to Spencer" (your words) is a great untruth. You disappoint me,
Hap. I thought better of you. Last week you alleged I didn't have a
publisher. That was false. This week you say I've repeatedly
promised Spencer a free copy of the book. That's false, too. What
gives, Hap? You strike me as a good man. I don't have any quarrel
with you. If you have one with me, I recommend we take it offline.
You have my e-mail address. Let's talk.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

E-mail:

"Sutliff" <> wrote in message news:<5M8V9.10708$>...
> Roz,
>
> You have allowed your animus of Spencer Hines to cloud the points of his
> message. Douglas Richardson has repeatedly promised (in this forum) a free
> book to Spencer (whether you approve or not). That he has now reneged is
> despicable, but hardly surprising. Are the teasers which Douglas Richardson
> makes to the list so invaluable as to permit any kind of behavior just as
> long as you get what you want? Is a total lack of conscience and
> accountability acceptable?
>
> Four years ago next month I foolishly loaned my copy of CP XIV to
> Richardson. That was the last I saw of it.
>
> My loss may show a profound naiveté on my part, but it also shows what kind
> of person Richardson really is. Too many have bought into his
> "discoveries" illusion as some of these "discoveries" have already been
> published by others. People are somehow dazzled by a long list of secondary
> sources when a single primary source would suffice. It's not the number, but
> the quality and reliability that matters.
>
> Sadly, too many here are too lazy to get off their fannies to go to an
> actual library or FHL and research through books and film. Having everything
> handed to you in a book can never be a substitute for the reward of locating
> answers through your own diligent efforts. Likewise it would seem that some
> here think there is some short cut to reliable genealogy or that a mention
> in Richardson's book will validate them in their peers' eyes. Respect and
> honor must be earned. That Taylor, Baldwin, Mahler and others are held in
> such esteem is because the integrity of their work and their personal
> ethics.
>
> What separates Douglas Richardson from most of us is not that he is a
> "trained historian" nor that he is "collegial." Rather it is merely his
> access to sources.
>
> Henry Sutcliffe
>
>
> "Roz Griston" <> wrote in message
> news:...
> > oh so well said whiney hiney..aren't you the one who brags of his
> > thousands of dollars worth of genealogical books..didn't you get a free
> > copy of the books the scots peerage from one of the forum's members?.
> >
> > you laud how superior you are..yet, you are nothing but a welfare bum,
> > begging for freebies. pathetic.
> >
> > how many look ups have you done gratis for members via your free scots
> > peerage. how much free stuff do you post to the list? how often do you
> > site sources for information you post? you live in a give and take
> > world..
> >
> > ppl give..you take. there is nothing reciprocal about you.
> > you give crud, we take abuse. you are the last person with any right to
> > speak about truth, honour or integrity on this list or any other
> > forum.
> >
> > get a life baka buta inu..stop begging, grovelling, whining and
> > howling. no one owes you a damn thing...except, a thrashing..now ain't
> > pay back a nice thing when it comes to you and your ilk.
> >
> > roz
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, January 14, 2003 5:35 PM, D. Spencer Hines
> > [SMTP:] wrote:
> > > I see.
> > >
> > > So, as I have long suspected, you are reneging on our bargain.
> > >
> > > I expected as much. I have seen too many other examples here over
> the
> > > years
> > > of your lack of integrity, honesty and truthfulness.
> > >
> > > Richardson wants all the free help in completing his book that he can
> > > get ----
> > > that's why he keeps querying the newsgroup on all sorts of matters.
> > >
> > > He simply can't *write* the book himself ---- and wants everyone here
> > > to join
> > > in. Why? Because he himself doesn't have the necessary
> genealogical,
> > >
> > > historical, research and writing skills to carry it off.
> > >
> > > I'm not at all convinced, knowing what I know now, that Richardson's
> > > projected
> > > edition, the third, of _Plantagenet Ancestry_ will be a significant
> > > improvement over the second which was the work of Dr. David Faris,
> > > with
> > > Richardson purely in the role of an assistant.
> > >
> > > I own both PA1 and PA2. Until I see the significant _Value-Added_,
> if
> > > any, in
> > > PA3 ---- I certainly would not spend $60 on it.
> > >
> > > And, in order to be sure there IS the requisite _Value Added_ in this
> > > putative
> > > PA3 ---- I'd want to see the reviews and detailed comments by
> > > knowledgeable
> > > folks here on SGM ---- FIRST....
> > >
> > > No pig in a poke for me.
> > >
> > > Deus Vult.
> > >
> > > "For by diligent perusing the actes of great men, by considering all
> > > the
> > > circumstances of them, by composing Counseiles and Meanes with
> events,
> > > a man
> > > may seem to have lived in all ages, to have been present at all
> > > enterprises,
> > > to be more strongly confirmed in Judgement, to have attained a
> > > greater
> > > experience than the longest life can possibly afford."
> > >
> > > John Hayward, __The Lives of the III Norman Kings of England, William
> > > the
> > > First, William the Second and Henry I__, London, 1612, Preface
> > >
> > > All replies to the newsgroup please. Thank you kindly. All original
> > > material
> > > contained herein is copyright and property of the author. It may be
> > > quoted
> > > only in discussions on this forum and with an attribution to the
> > > author,
> > > unless permission is otherwise expressly given, in writing.
> > > ------------
> > >
> > > D. Spencer Hines
> > >
> > > Lux et Veritas et Libertas
> > >
> > > Vires et Honor.
> > >
> > > "Douglas Richardson" <> wrote in message
> > > news:...
> > >
> > > | Dear Spencer ~
> > > |
> > > | I shall be glad to forward you a "free" copy of my forthcoming
> book,
> > > |
> > > | just as soon as I receive your check for $60.00. Also, please do
> > > | consider getting an extra copy for your local library. The book
> > > | will
> > > | be an asset to any library, private or public.
> > > |
> > > | Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
> > > |
> > > | E-mail:
> > > |
> > > |
> > > | "D. Spencer Hines" <> wrote in message
> > > news:<a9KU9.424$>...
> > >
> > > | > Douglas,
> > > | >
> > > | > Once you reaffirm that you are going to keep your part of our
> > > | > bargain and
> > > | > send me, gratis, an autographed, engraved copy of PA3, I shall be
> > > | > happy
> > > | > to do so, Douglas.
> > > | >
> > > | > You've been quite evasive on that matter, of late.
> > > | >
> > > | > Deus Vult.
> > > | > ------------
> > > | >
> > > | > D. Spencer Hines
> > > | >
> > > | > Lux et Veritas et Libertas
> > > | >
> > > | > Vires et Honor.
> > >
> >
> >

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