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From: "D. Spencer Hines" <>
Subject: Re: Plantagenet Bastards
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 03:17:24 -0000
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Richardson is trying to get as many of the possible, alleged, Plantagenet
bastards into the book as he can, even if the evidence for them is quite shaky
indeed.

He wants to market his book to all those who HOPE they can find a link to the
Plantagenets ---- even a bastard one.

So, it's market reach and saturation that he's interested in ---- not absolute
accuracy.

We've already had one salivating fool step forward who tells us how eager he
is to get the book in his hands, so he can find out if he has a "link" to
Royalty.

Said salivating fool has already sent Richardson money for a book that hasn't
even been published yet ---- and may still have a rocky road to fruition.

One story that's making the rounds is that Richardson has pre-bought a number
of copies from the publisher at cost, or barely above cost, and that those are
the ones he has been selling for $60, "betting on the come."

The truth, whatever it is, on all these matters will no doubt emerge
eventually ---- and we shall all see.

Fun & Games Along the Genealogical Highway....

Deus Vult.

"I don't mind if you don't like my manners. I don't like 'em myself. They're
pretty bad ---- I grieve over them long winter evenings. And I don't mind
your ritzing me or drinking your lunch out of a bottle, but *don't* waste your
time trying to cross-examine me." Humphrey Bogart [Philip Marlowe] to Lauren
Bacall [Vivian Sternwood] in "The Big Sleep" [1946], Howard Hawks Directed.

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D. Spencer Hines

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Vires et Honor

""Stewart, Peter"" <> wrote in message
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| I'm not sure if Douglas Richardson is putting only proven illegitimate
| offspring of kings into his book, or proposing to discuss all the others
| that have been put forward with less solid evidence.
|
| Please note that the following is _not_ reliable information:
|
| Alphonse Angot speculated that Agnes (died 30 August after 1226), who before
| 1212 married Raoul VI, viscount of Beaumont-sur-Sarthe (died 13 April
| 1238/9), _might_ have been a daughter of Henry II, Richard I or John. This
| was in 'Les vicomtes du Maine', _Bulletin de la Commission historique et
| archologique de la Mayenne_ 30 (1914), and for all I know the suggestion
| may have been revised by the author in later work.
|
| The evidence was pretty slim - just the transmission of the seigneury of La
| Fleche, which according to one of Angot's sources was in the hands of an
| English king (misnamed Henry) in 1202, and then apparently given to Raoul.
| Since he was the grandson of Constance, a bastard of Henry I, consanguinity
| could have been a problem for Raoul's marriage to a child of Henry II, and
| the chronology doesn't favour him as a possible father-in-law anyway; while
| Richard II was rather less likely than John to have an unnoticed daughter.
|
| Maybe this has been discussed here before, but I didn't find a mention in
| the archives.
|
| Peter Stewart


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