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From: "Chris Phillips" <>
Subject: Re: Mary, daughter of the earl of Salisbury
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 09:11:52 -0000
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Linda Jack wrote:
> I think that I have run across another daughter of William Longespee, a
> daughter Mary, who was apparently married in 1226-1227. The source is
> Rotuli Litterarum Clausarum in Turri Londinensi, vol II, 1844, Thos
> Hardy, ed. , p. 200. The item reads something to the effect of "The
> baliffs of John de Monem in the New Forest are ordered to give Ela
> Countess of Salisbury one deer in their baliwick as a gift of the Lord
> King at the marriage of Mary the daughter of William former earl of
> Salisbury." I can't reproduce the correct marks, but the Latin is an
> approximation of " D' damo dato. Mand' est Ballis Jonis de Monem de
> Nova Foresta qd hre fac Ele Comitsse Sarr j. damu i balla sua de dono
> dui R. ad. nuptias Marie fil W. q nda Com Sarr. T. ut s." If anyone
> has the original at hand, a check on the translation would be
> appreciated.

That translation seems OK to me. I guess that the date must be 11 Henry III
(1226-1227), not 11 John (1209-1210)? Comparing with some other extracts I
have, that would be consistent with the page number, and with the fact that
William died 1225/6.

The daughter Mary isn't mentioned in the footnote detailing William's
children [vol. 11, p. 381, note k].

If your photocopy covers enough of the page, the precise date should be
given in a preceding entry, as indicated by "Teste ut supra" at the end.

Chris Phillips



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