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From: Arthur Murata <>
Subject: Re: USA descendants of Byzantine Emperor was Re: Byzantine succession
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:45:42 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: <3e48466b$0$1972$79c14f64@nan-newsreader-03.noos.net>


If we open up the discussion to descent through females,
that would make almost everyone on this list who can trace
their family to medieval European nobility and royalty a
Byzantine descendant. Obviously that is not the initial
question as it would involve hundreds of thousands of
people (not all on this list, thanks be...). Bronwen
Edwards






--- Pierre Aronax <> wrote:
>
> ""Leo van de Pas"" <> a crit dans le
> message de news:
> 029c01c2d1b0$46c72220$...
> > I agree with George Tsambourakis,
>
> If something like that ever happens, you may assume you
> are on a very very
> bad way.
>
> > this statement "Summing it up: there are
> > no families today that may prove their Byzantine
> origin" is simplistic and
> > should be rephrased. I think I understand what is
> meant. but the literal
> > statement can also be taken in a different way. And
> that is what I have
> done
> > for this exercise.
> >
> > Constantine Monomachus, Emperor of Byzantium from 1042
> to 1055.
> >
> > Descendants are
>
> [Follows a list of people who obviously can not claim to
> be Monomachoi.]
>
> Suzanne didn't say "nobody can claim a filiation from a
> Byzantine emperor"
> but "no family today may prove a Byzantine origin".
> Assuming "family" means
> "agnatic descendants" (and what else can it mean in that
> context?) and
> "Byzantine origin" descendancy from the Byzantine
> aristocracy, that is
> quietly right, with perhaps the exception of the modern
> Kantakouznoi (who
> can nevertheless not claim a male line descendancy from a
> Byzantine
> emperor).
>
>
>
> Pierre
>
>


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