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From: Arthur Murata <>
Subject: Re: USA descendants of Byzantine Emperor was Re: Byzantine succession
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:45:42 -0800 (PST)
If we open up the discussion to descent through females,
that would make almost everyone on this list who can trace
their family to medieval European nobility and royalty a
Byzantine descendant. Obviously that is not the initial
question as it would involve hundreds of thousands of
people (not all on this list, thanks be...). Bronwen
--- Pierre Aronax <> wrote:
> ""Leo van de Pas"" <> a crit dans le
> message de news:
> > I agree with George Tsambourakis,
> If something like that ever happens, you may assume you
> are on a very very
> bad way.
> > this statement "Summing it up: there are
> > no families today that may prove their Byzantine
> origin" is simplistic and
> > should be rephrased. I think I understand what is
> meant. but the literal
> > statement can also be taken in a different way. And
> that is what I have
> > for this exercise.
> > Constantine Monomachus, Emperor of Byzantium from 1042
> to 1055.
> > Descendants are
> [Follows a list of people who obviously can not claim to
> be Monomachoi.]
> Suzanne didn't say "nobody can claim a filiation from a
> Byzantine emperor"
> but "no family today may prove a Byzantine origin".
> Assuming "family" means
> "agnatic descendants" (and what else can it mean in that
> context?) and
> "Byzantine origin" descendancy from the Byzantine
> aristocracy, that is
> quietly right, with perhaps the exception of the modern
> Kantakouznoi (who
> can nevertheless not claim a male line descendancy from a
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