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From: (Douglas Richardson)
Subject: List of Bastard Children of King Edward IV of England
Date: 14 Mar 2003 11:18:55 -0800

Dear Newsgroup ~

Below is a list of the illegitimate children of King Edward IV of
England taken from variety of sources. The list includes no new
names, but I've commented on additional evidence which appears to
prove the parentage of Elizabeth, wife of Thomas Lumley. Gary Boyd
Roberts's useful book, RD 500, indicates that there are American
descendants of Elizabeth Lumley.

There seems to be confusion in surviving records between King Edward
IV's mistresses, Dame Elizabeth Lucy and Elizabeth Wayte. I suspect
the two women were separate and distinct individuals. King Edward IV
is alleged to have had issue by Elizabeth Lucy prior to his marriage
to Queen Elizabeth Wydeville in 1464. I presume that issue was King
Edward IV's bastard daughter, Elizabeth Lumley, who married in or
before 1477. Elizabeth Wayte's son, Arthur, on the other hand,
doesn't occur in records as an adult until 1501 and didn't marry until
1511. This suggests a rather wide gap in ages between the two
bastards, Elizabeth Lumley and Arthur Plantagenet. My best guess is
that Elizabeth Lumley was born say 1460/2 and that Arthur Plantagenet
was born say 1475.

If anyone has any corrections or additions to the list below, I'd
appreciate it if they would post them here on the newsgroup.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah


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List of illegitimate children of King Edward IV of England:

Illegitimate child of Edward IV of England, by an unknown mistress,
possibly Elizabeth Lucy:

i. ELIZABETH PLANTAGENET, married before 1477 THOMAS LUMLEY, son and
heir apparent of George Lumley, Knt., Lord Lumley, by Elizabeth,
daughter and heiress of Roger Thornton, Esq. They had one son,
Richard [Lord Lumley], and three daughters, Anne (wife of Robert Ogle,
4th Lord Ogle), Sibyl (wife of William Hilton, Knt., de jure 9th Lord
Hylton), and Elizabeth (wife of Robert Cresswell). Descendants (not
traced). [Note: Additional evidence of Elizabeth's parentage may be
seen in the papal dispensation granted in 1489 for Elizabeth's son,
Richard Lumley, to marry Anne Conyers, they being related in the [3rd
and] 4th degree of kindred. A dispensation was needed for this
marriage, as the two parties were both descended from Ralph Neville,
K.G., 1st Earl of Westmorland, and his wife, Joan Beaufort (see
Testamenta Eboracensia 3 (Surtees Soc., vol. 45) (1865): 355)].
Surtees Soc. 41 (1862): 27 (1530 Vis. Durham) (Lumley pedigree:
"Thomas Lumley, son and heyre to George, maried Elisabeth, bastard
doughter to Kyng Edward the iiijth"). R. Surtees, Hist. & Antiq. of
the County Palatine of Durham 2 (1820): 163-164. H.S.P. 16 (1881):
189-190 (1563/4 Vis. Yorkshire) (Lumley pedigree: "Thomas Lord Lomley
son & heyr to George = Elsabeth bastard doughter to Kyng Edward the
Fourth"). C.P. 7 (1929): 30 (sub Hylton); 8 (1932): 274 (sub Lumley);
10 (1945): 33-34. TAG 50 (1974): 81-86. M.S. Byrne, The Lisle
Letters (1981) [citing Harleian MS. 4033, f. 21 (23) v; Leland's
Itinerary VI, f. 63]. Chris Given-Wilson & A. Curteis, Royal Bastards
of Medieval England (1984), pp. 160-161,179.

Illegitimate child of Edward IV of England, by a mistress, Elizabeth

i. ARTHUR PLANTAGENET (otherwise ARTHUR WAYTE), K.G., King's Spear,
Esquire of the Body, Vice-Admiral of England, Governor of Calais,
Warden of the Cinque Ports, Privy Councillor, born say 1475 (presumed
to be "my Lord the Bastard" mentioned in an Exchequer account dated
1477, first occurs as an adult in 1501). He married (1st) 12 Nov.
1511 ELIZABETH GREY, suo jure Baroness Lisle, widow of Edmund Dudley,
Esq. (beheaded 18 Aug. 1510), and daughter and heiress of Edward Grey,
Knt., Viscount Lisle, by his 1st wife, Elizabeth, daughter of John
Talbot, Knt., Viscount Lisle. They had three daughters, Frances (wife
of John Basset and Thomas Monke), Elizabeth (wife of Francis Jobson,
Knt), and Bridget (wife of William Carden). In 1514 he was captain of
the Vice-Admiral's ship "Trinity Sovereign." He attended the King at
the Field of Cloth of Gold in 1520. In consequence of his marriage,
he was created 25 Apr. 1523 Viscount Lisle. In 1528 he purchased the
manors of Segenworth, Chark, Lee, Sutton, West Stratton, etc.,
Hampshire from his cousin, John Wayte, Esq., of Titchfield. Arthur
married (2nd) in 1529 Honor Grenville, widow of John Basset, Knt.
(died 31 Jan. 1529), and daughter of Thomas Grenville, Knt., by his
1st wife, Isabel, daughter of Otes Gilbert, Knt. They had no issue.
He was imprisoned in the Tower of London on suspicion of treason 19
May 1540. SIR ARTHUR PLANTAGENET, Viscount Lisle, died there 3 Mar.
1541/2. His widow, Honor, was buried at Logan, Cornwall 30 Apr. 1566.
Modern descendants (not traced). G.F. Beltz, Memorials of the Most
Noble Order of the Garter (1841), pg. clxxii. H.S.P. 2 (1870): 74-75
(1619 Vis. Leicester) (Gray pedigree: "Elizab. [Gray] Nupta Edm.
Dudley postea Arthur Plantagenet"); 16 (1881): 308-310 (1563/4 Vis.
Yorkshire) (Talbot pedigree: "Elsabeth [Talbot] doughter & sole heyre
[1] = Edmond Dudley on of the Prevy Consell to Kyng Henry 7th., [2]=
Arthur Plantagenet bastard son to Edward IV. 2 husband"). J.L.
Vivian, Visitations of the County of Devon (1895), pp. 46-47,569.
List of Early Chan. Proc. 5 (1912): 288,358,465,472.473; 6 (1922):
109,134. C.L. Scofield, Life and Reign of Edward the Fourth 2 (1923):
56,161. C.P. 8 (1932): 63-68 (sub Lisle). Cal. of Ancient Deeds -
Series B Pt. 3 (List & Index Soc., vol. 113) (1975): B.10780, B.12180.
Ancient Deeds Series BB (List & Index Soc., vol. 137) (1977), pp.
80-81,83,90. M.S. Byrne, The Lisle Letters 2 (1981): 63 (Arthur
Plantagenet styled "cousin" by Margaret Pole, Countess of Salisbury);
1 (1981): 481, 4{1981): 140 (instances of Henry Pole, Lord Montagu,
styled "cousin" to Arthur Plantagenet). Exchequer Ancient Deeds - DD
Series (List & Index Soc., vol. 200) (1983), pp. 193,207. C.
Given-Wilson & A. Curteis, Royal Bastards of Medieval England (1984),
pp. 158,161-174.

Illegitimate child of Edward IV of England, by an unknown mistress,

i. GRACE PLANTAGENET, allegedly present in 1492 on the funeral barge
of Queen Elizabeth Wydeville, widow of King Edward IV. C. Ross,
Edward IV (1974), pg. 316, foonote 2 (citing BM Arundel MS. 26, ff.
29v-30v). C. Given-Wilson & A. Curteis, Royal Bastards of Medieval
England (1984), pp. 158,161-174.

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