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From: Tim Powys-Lybbe <>
Subject: Re: Fw: Geoffry de Mandeville
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 10:33:23 +0100
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In message <002201c30b87$151e3ea0$>
(Tony Burgess) wrote:

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> I obviously need to find copies of Keats-Rohan's "Domesday people", pp.
> 226-7? Also CP V, pp. 113-4, Anyone know if these are available in
> Sydney, Australia.

Is there a City Library? There has to be a University there. One of
these is highly likely to have these volumes.

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> The Geoffroi de Mandeville I am looking for is listed in the Battle Rolls
> of 1066,

The Battle Rolls are the subject of an excellent booklet by Anthony J
Camp "My Ancestors Came with the Conqueror" published by the British
Society of Genealogists <www.sog.org.uk>. In it he gives transcripts of
articles that state that no more than 27 people can possibly be
identified who fought with the Conqueror. The Mandevilles are not
amongst them, much as they are in the various Battle Abbey Rolls, the
earliest known version of which dates from c.1436.

> other references state he was a senior knight (and companion of King
> William), so I am guessing he would have been born around 1025 - 1030?

Pass on that one!

> Is his wife Athelais the same person as Adelize de Balto?

None of my sources mentions this latter name.

> I also found his father may have been Osbern de Manneville or Magneville?

None of my sources give this.

> I also think he had a son Geoffroi?

None of my sources give this (I hink).

> But I mainly am looking for his daughter possibly born about 1060,
> and have found a Beatrice who died in 1197, she must have been the
> daughter of the son (perhaps born about 1055?)

Beatrice, who m. (2) William de Say, was the grand-daughter of Geoffrey
de Mandeveille via his son William and she died on a 19th April on or
before 1197.

> You mention a son William, is this the one who married Margaret de Rie?

CP says of William's wife that she was "(it is said, but probably
erroneously) Nargaret, da. and h. of Eoun DE RIE, Dapifer, of
Colchester, Essex".

> This daughter I am looking for may have married William de Cardon in
> about 1080 (in Essex)

Keats-Rohan, "Domesday Descendants", p. 566, says Beatrice was "Daughter
of Geoffrey I de Mandeville, married by 1086 to Geoffrey, natural son
of Eustache de Boulogne."

> thier son may have been William de Heydon, and his daughter Isabella de
> Heydon married William de Warrenne in 1127.

I have nothing of this in my sources: sounds like speculation, if not
also creative reconstruction.

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Tim Powys-Lybbe
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