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From: Thierry Stasser <>
Subject: Re: Marriage Date of Philippe III, King of France, and Isabel ofAragon
Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 22:34:23 +0200
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convention of marriage between Philippe, the King of France second son,
future King Philippe III, ans Isabelle, youngest daughter of King Jaime I of
Aragon, were included in the treaty of Corbeil dated 11 May 1258 (Layettes
du Trésor des Chartes, vol III, n° 4433-4435). Papal dispensation was issued
on 1 December 1258 by the Pope, and the actual wedding took place on
Whitsunday May 28, 1262 (J LE GOFF, Saint Louis, Paris, 1996, p 737).

hope this helps


dans l'article , Douglas
Richardson à a écrit le 6/05/03 17:36 :

> Dear Denis ~
>
> Thank you for your post. You asked a very good question.
>
> Couples of high station were sometimes married twice, once in the
> woman's country and again in the man's. Two examples I know of are
> John of Gaunt and his brother, Edmund of Langley. A couple could also
> be married by proxy, as King Henry III was to Jeanne de Dammartin. In
> such cases, the proxy marriage was usually followed by a normal
> ceremony before a priest at a later date. In King Henry III's case,
> he married Jeanne de Dammartin by proxy, then asked for a divorce from
> Jeanne de Dammartin, pleading consanguinity. In the meantime, he had
> married Eleanor of Provence, which I'm sure complicated things for the
> Pope. The Pope wisely granted him the divorce he sought.
>
> In King Philippe III's case, I show that he and his wife, Isabelle,
> were dispensed to marry 1 Dec. 1258, they being related in the 3rd and
> 4th degrees of kindred [Reference: B. Barbiche, Les Actes Pontificaux
> Originaux des Archives Nationales de Paris 1 (Index Actorum Romanorum
> pontificum ab Innocentio III ad Martinum V electum, vol. 1) (1975):
> 375-376]. According to the Archbishop of Rouen's records which I
> cited in an earlier post, this couple were officially married 6 July
> 1262, before the kings of France, Aragon, and Navarre, and various
> French prelates and barons. I triple checked the date to make sure I
> had it correctly transcribed and converted.
>
> I have no idea of the origin of the usual date of marriage [28 May
> 1262] for Philippe III and Isabelle. However, clearly something is
> askew. Perhaps this is a case in which the couple were married twice.
>
> If John Ravilious is so disposed, perhaps he can chart for us the
> kindred between Philippe III and Isabelle. Below is a list of New
> World immigrants who descend from King Philippe and Isabelle.
>
> Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
>
> E-mail:
>
> - - - - - - - - -
> List of New World immigrants who descend from King Philippe III and
> his wife, Isabelle of Aragon:
>
> 1. Robert Abell.
>
> 2. William Asfordby.
>
> 3. Barbara Aubrey.
>
> 4. John Bevan.
>
> 5. Essex Beville.
>
> 6. William Bladen.
>
> 7. George & Nehemiah Blakiston.
>
> 8. Joseph Bolles.
>
> 9. Elizabeth Bosvile.
>
> 10. Mary Bourchier.
>
> 11. George, Giles & Robert Brent.
>
> 12. Stephen Bull.
>
> 13. Charles Calvert.
>
> 14. Edward Carleton.
>
> 15. Grace Chetwode.
>
> 17. St.Leger Codd.
>
> 18. Elizabeth Coytemore.
>
> 19. Humphrey Davie.
>
> 20. Frances, Jane, & Katherine Deighton.
>
> 21. Edward Digges.
>
> 22. Thomas Dudley.
>
> 23. Rowland Ellis.
>
> 24. William Farrar.
>
> 25. John Fenwick.
>
> 26. John Fisher.
>
> 27. Henry Fleete.
>
> 28. Edward Foliot.
>
> 29. William Goddard.
>
> 30. Muriel Gurdon.
>
> 31. Elizabeth & John Harleston.
>
> 32. Jane Haviland.
>
> 33. Warham Horsmanden.
>
> 34. Anne Humphrey.
>
> 35. Mary Launce.
>
> 36. Samuel Levis.
>
> 37. Thomas Ligon.
>
> 38. Nathaniel Littleton.
>
> 39. Thomas Lloyd.
>
> 40. Agnes Mackworth.
>
> 41. Anne Mauleverer.
>
> 42. Richard More.
>
> 43. Joseph Need.
>
> 44. John Nelson.
>
> 45. Philip & Thomas Nelson.
>
> 46. Thomas Owsley.
>
> 47. John Oxenbridge.
>
> 48. Herbert Pelham.
>
> 49. Robert Peyton.
>
> 50. Elizabeth & William Poole.
>
> 51. Henry & William Randolph.
>
> 52. George Reade.
>
> 53. William Rodney.
>
> 54. Katherine Saint Leger.
>
> 55. Richard Saltonstall.
>
> 56. William Skepper.
>
> 57. Diane & Grey Skipwith.
>
> 58. Maria Johanna Somerset.
>
> 59. John Stockman.
>
> 60. John & Lawrence Washington.
>
> 61. Olive Welby.
>
> 62. John West.
>
> 63. Thomas Wingfield.
>
> 64. Hawte Wyatt.
>
> Denis Beauregard <> wrote in message
> news:<>...
>> Le 4 May 2003 23:33:39 -0700, (Douglas
>> Richardson) écrivait dans soc.genealogy.medieval:
>>
>>> Various English sources I've checked state that Philippe III, King of
>>> France, married 28 May 1262 to Isabel, daughter of Jaime I, King of
>>>
>>> II. non. Julii. [6 July 1262]. Cum Dei adjuturio, in majori ecclesia
>>> dicti loci, presentibus Francorum et Aragonum et Navarrae regibus,
>>> multisque Franciae praelatis et baronibus, desponsavimus dominum
>>
>> And what about a marriage contract for one date, and the marriage
>> itself for the other date ?
>>
>>
>> Denis

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