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From: (david hughes)
Subject: Re: longest living male line in England or SCotland
Date: 1 Jul 2003 07:57:23 -0700
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"Todd A. Farmerie" <> wrote in message news:<>...
> david hughes wrote:
> > the Lougher Family, is another candidate for the most ancient
> > male-line descendance in Britain to consider:
> > most of this descent-line is taken from the family records of the
> > Lougher Family which were kindly provided by Jeanne Lougher,
> > , and her relatives: Wayne Lougher,
> > , & Vicky Lougher, . The
> > genealogical table Jeanne sent me, "The Kings of Britain", appears to
> > be photocopied from Blackett's book. The genealogy begins with King
> > Llyr [numbered # 15], descends from Caratacus, the hero-king [who
> > fought the Roman Conquest of AD43], through generations of Roman Era
> > British rulers, and, ends with the genealogy of the kings of medieval
> > Glamorgan.
>
> It would be great if it were true, but all of the early
> generations are faulty (probably everything before the 7th
> century). I can't comment on the descent of the modern family
> from the earlier Kings of Glamorgan, but one had best beware.
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Todd:
the Lougher Pedigree is authentic and its authenticity may be
validated by these authorities:
(a) generations 1-5 are recorded in "The Roman Invasion of Britain",
by Graham Webster (1980); are analyzed by John Koch in his "A Welsh
Window on the Iron Age: Manawydan, Mandubracios", in "Cambridge
Medieval Celtic Studies", vol. 14 (1987) pp 17-52; and, are compiled
in "The Belgic Dynasties of Britain and Their Coins", by Derek F.
Allen, in "Archaeologia", vol. 90 [XC] (1944) pp 1-46. Molly Miller
(1975) speaks of the "Historicity and the pedigrees of the
Northcountrymen", in "Bulletin of the Board of Celtic Studies", vol.
26 (1974-6) pp 255-280, and gives a supporting view.
(b) generations 5-20 are found in Peter C. Bartrum's "Early Welsh
Genealogical Tracts" (1966); The Society of Genealogists' "Welsh
Pedigrees". Manuscript Work WS/G48. (1900); and in "Pedigrees of the
Kings and Princes of Wales", by Peter C. Bartrum, in "Bulletin of the
Board of Celtic Studies", vol. XIX (1961) pp 201-225.
(c) generations 20-42 are the Royal House of Medieval Glamorgan, may
be found in
"Early Glamorgan: Glamorgan County History" [vol. 2], edited by Hubert
N. Savory (1984);
"The Middle Ages: Glamorgan County History" [vol. 3], edited by T.B.
Pugh (1971); &, in
"Glamorgan and Gwent: A Guide to Ancient and Historic Wales", by
Elizabeth Whittle. (1992).
(d) generations 42-51 are given by Peter C. Bartrum in his "Welsh
Genealogies". 8 vols. (1974), and
(e) generations 52-66/67/68 were taken from Lougher Family records.
"Celtic Continuity in the Middle Ages", by Christopher A. Snyder, in
"Medieval Perspective", vol. 11 (1996) pp 164-178, is good reading on
crossing the gap between pre-Roman and post- Roman British kings. K.
R. Dark addresses the same issue in his "Civitas to Kingdom: British
Political Continuity 300-800" (1994), and gives a supporting view.
The Lougher Pedigree was compiled and edited from the above named
sources, and may be compiled and edited by another writer, or
genealogist, from these same sources. Yes, it is authentic. Its
authenticity may be validated by the sources cited above. Hence, the
Lougher Family are the modern descendants of the ancient British
pre-Roman kings. Congratulations!, Lougher Family. I think you should
have a peerage.
Too, another family equally of British antiquity, and, equally
deserving of a peerage, is the "Anwyl Family", which descends in the
male-line from the old medieval Welsh royal house, founded by Rhodri
"Mawr" (872), who was himself of ancient royal British ancestry which
is given by Peter C. Bratrum in his "Early Welsh Genealogical Tracts"
(1966), a very valuable book.

David


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