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From: "Phil Moody" <>
Subject: Re: King's kinsfolk: Robert II, King of Scotland and David, Duke of Rothesay
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 22:48:00 -0500
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Dear Doug:

Thank you for the clarification. Here we are looking for possible
relationships to people more than a thousand years old, and we view these
connections as valid relationships. This being my perspective of
relationships; I obviously misunderstood the context of your question:-)

Let me take this opportunity to clarify something David Webb brought to my
attention. King Stephen was not directly descended from Malcolm (III), but it
was his wife who was Malcolm's grand-daughter. Another fine example of my
faulty recollection:-)

Best Wishes,
Phil

----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas Richardson" <>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: King's kinsfolk: Robert II, King of Scotland and David, Duke of
Rothesay


> Dear Phil ~
>
> Thank you for your good post.
>
> Yes, it's true that the English kings were descended from Malcolm
> Canmore, King of Scotland. However, this is far too distant a
> relationship for them to have acknowledged in the late 1300's. As a
> general rule, kings acknowledged kinship when it fell within the 5th
> degree of kinship (4th cousin). Once a kinship was more distant than
> this, no acknowledgement was made of the relationship.
>
> As such, it would appear that King Edward III of England and King
> Robert II of Scotland share some other kinship in their ancestry than
> what is presently known. It should fall somewhere within the 5th
> degree of kinship.
>
> Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
>
> E-mail:
>
>
> ("Phil Moody") wrote in message
news:<005c01c35de6$5d9c6e20$>...
> > From the time of Henry (I)'s marriage to the daughter of Malcolm (III) and
St.
> > Margaret, the kings of England have been related to the Kings of Scotland
on
> > the distaff side. Even King Stephen had a relationship to the Scottish
throne
> > via another line.
> >
> > Robert the Bruce was descended from David (I) through the distaff side as
> > well; so they were all descendants of Malcolm (III) and St. Margaret.
> >
> > Best Wishes,
> > Phil
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Douglas Richardson" <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 2:15 PM
> > Subject: King's kinsfolk: Robert II, King of Scotland and David, Duke of
> > Rothesay
> >
> >
> > > Dear Newsgroup ~
> > >
> > > I've located references to kinship between the Plantagenet kings and
> > > the Scottish royal family which I'm unable to explain.
> > >
> > > I find that Robert II, King of Scotland, was called "Illustris
> > > Principis, Roberti Consanguinei nostri de Scotia" [illustrious prince,
> > > Robert our kinsman of Scotland] in 1373 by King Edward III of England
> > > [Reference: Thomas Rymer, Foedera 7 (1728): 2-3, 9-10].
> > >
> > > Likewise, I find that King Robert II's grandson, David, Duke of
> > > Rothesay, was similarly styled "kinsman" by King Richard II of England
> > > [Reference: Thomas Rymer, Foedera 8 (1727): 82].
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any idea what the kinship might be involved here?
> > >
> > > Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
> > >
> > > E-mail:
> > >
>


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