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From: (Douglas Richardson)
Subject: Re: King's kinsfolk: Robert II, King of Scotland and David, Duke of Rothesay
Date: 10 Aug 2003 09:51:01 -0700
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Dear John ~

I believe it's possible that William de Burgh's unknown wife was the
daughter not of King Henry II, but rather of his son, King John.

King John had many illegitimate children born over the course of his
adult life. His eldest known illegitimate child, Geoffrey, first
surfaces in 1200 and was clearly acting as an adult by 1204.

If John had an illegitimate daughter of the same age as Geoffrey, she
would have just enough time to marry William de Burgh, produce a
child, and then have William de Burgh die in 1205.

Also, given that we have so many illegitimate sons for King John and
know so few daughters, it stands to reason that we are missing the
names of a few of his daughters.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

(John Ravilious) wrote in message news:<>...
> Dear Phil,
>
> Comments are interspersed below.
>
>
>
> ("Phil Moody") wrote in message news:<001001c35ea0$5f922f20$>...
> > Dear Doug:
> >
> > Edward (II)'s daughter Joan married David (II), King of Scots. His parents
> > were Robert (I) and Elizabeth de Burgh. Would not a dispensation be necessary
> > if they were already related?
>
>
> ~ If my theory is correct as to the de Burgh descent is correct,
> David II of Scots and Joan of England would have been related
> in
> the 6th and 5th degrees (4th cousins 1x removed). I believe
> this
> was one degree beyond their being required to receive
> dispensation
> for marriage at that time.
>
> See below:
>
>
> Eleanor = Henry II ~ _________
> of Aquitaine I of England I
> _______________I _ _ _ _ _
> I I
> John of England William de Burgh = NN
> I d. 1205 I
> I ____________I
> I I
> Henry III of England Richard de Burgh = bef 21 Apr 1225
> I d. bef Feb 1242/3 I
> I _____________I
> I I
> * EDWARD I of Walter de Burgh = Aveline FitzJohn
> England d. 28 July 1271 I
> _____I___________ ______I______________________
> I I I I
> *EDWARD II of Joan = Gilbert RICHARD DE BURGH Giles
> (Egidia)
> England I de Clare d bef 29 Jul 1326 = James
> the
> __I_____ I * "Cousin" [E I, E II]
> Stewart
> I I I = Margaret [de Guines ?] I
> I Joan = David I ____I_______ I
> I (+) II I I I I
> I I I I I
> **EDWARD III of Elizabeth = John de Elizabeth Walter
> the
> England de Clare I Burgh = Robert_the_ Stewart
> =
> I I Bruce (2nd wife) Marjory
> Bruce
> I I I I
> I William de Burgh David II ROBERT
> II
> I Earl of Ulster KING OF SCOTS KNG OF
> SCOTS
> I ____________I = Joan of ** "Our
> Cousin"
> I I England [E III]
> Lionel = Elizabeth
> of I de Clare
> Antwerp I
> I
> V
>
>>
> Hope the foregoing is helpful.
>
> John

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