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From: Linda Jack <>
Subject: Edmund, Earl of Lancaster's cousin, John de St. John
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:06:25 -0700
I don't know if this is the same family, but Michael M. Sheehan (The
Will in Medieval England, Toronto: Pontifical Institute of Mediaeval
Studies , 1963, Appendix A, p. 309) has a will of a John St. John (d.
1231) published in ed. Salter, Cartulary of Oseney Abbey, I, 135-136. I
have not seen the will, but perhaps there is some information that might
I had a quick look at the Victoria County History for Sussex. I think
has already posted all the directly relevant material, but there was one
detail which I don't think has been posted, and gave me pause for
Vol. 4, p. 176 treats a manor of Hampnet or Westhampnett held by a Paynel
family. This is in the same parish as the St John manor of Woodcote,
as Paul has mentioned was granted by William de St John to Geoffrey
for life in about 1225.
VCH views these Paynels as possibly descended from "Nicholas" Paynel
daughter Godeheude married William de St John ("Nicholas" apparently
VCH's interpretation of "N." in the manuscript, which others interpret as
It's particularly interesting that these Paynels were tenants of the St
Johns - a William Paynel who died in 1316 held the manor of John de St
as 1/20 of a knight's fee.
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