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From: (Douglas Richardson)
Subject: Re: King's Kinsfolk: More on Fieschi Family of Genoa - Counts of Lavagna
Date: 10 Sep 2003 14:53:58 -0700
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Dear Chico ~

It's great to know that one of our esteemed newsgroup members such as
yourself is a descendant of the prestigious Fieschi family of Genoa.
I'm so glad that my research on the Fieschi family connects to your
Doria ancestry.

When you have a moment, perhaps you could share with us a brief
outline of the information you have on the ancestry of the Fieschi
family. Do you have any idea how your ancestress, Eliana Fieschi's
nephew, Cardinal Lucas Fieschi, is related to King Edward II of
England and King Jaime II of Aragon? Also, can you identity Brumisan,
wife of Uggolino, Count of Lavagna, who was called kinswoman by King
Edward I of England.

It appears a distinct possibility that Cardinal Lucas Fieschi was
related to the various kings in question, not on his father's side,
but through his mother's side. I say that because as best as I can
tell, neither Cardinal Lucas' paternal grandfather, Sir Frederic
Fieschi, nor his great uncle, Ottobuono, the Papal legate (later Pope
Adrian V), were styled king's kinsman by King Henry III of England.
In general, King Henry III was fairly dutiful to acknowledge kinship
to his foreign relatives. [Note to all: This is an observation, not a
rule]. By any chance, do you know anything about the wife of Cardinal
Lucas's father, Nicolo Fieschi? She would seem to be the doorway
ancestress to the high born ancestry behind Cardinal Lucas and his
brother, Carlo/Charles, both of whom were styled "king's kinsman."

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah


(Francisco Antonio Doria) wrote in message news:<>...
> I'm descended from one of the pope's brothers. His
> daughter Eliana Fieschi married Bernabò Doria. This
> line later fused with the line of the cosignori di
> Oneglia, from which I come.
>
> chico
>
> --- Reedpcgen <> escreveu: > >The
> sister of Adrian V (and aunt to Luca),
> > >Beatrice, married Tommaso II of Savoy, and they
> were the parents of Amedeo V
> > >of Savoy.
> >
> > As Pope Adrian V (Ottobuono Fieschi) was a Fieschi
> > by birth, any particularly
> > close descent from the Counts of Savoy could likely
> > be ruled out, or the
> > marriage of his sister Beatrice to Thomaso II would
> > have been forbidden.
> >
> > Ottobuono Fieschi had been the papal legate sent to
> > help both Henry III and
> > Edward I and had influenced Edward to take up the
> > cross for Crusade.
> >
> > The Fieschi had been allied with the Kings of
> > Sicily. For Beatrice, you can
> > see Leo's site:
> >
> >
> http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00027334&tree=LEO
> >
> > Paul
> >
>
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