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Subject: Graden, co. Berwicks., Elizabeth de Caldcotis and the Livingstons of Kilsyth
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 16:17:05 EST


Saturday, 15 November, 2003



Hello All,

William Livingston of Wester Kilsyth, co. Stirling, a younger son of
Sir John Livingston of Callendar and 'founder' of family of the
Livingstons of Kilsyth, married Elizabeth, daughter and coheiress of
"William de Caldcotis, with whom he got the lands of Graden in
Berwickshire" [1]. Together, William Livingston and Elizabeth de
Caldcotis were the ancestors of the lairds of Kilsyth, the future
Viscounts Kilsyth, a few American Presidents and many more besides.

A dispensation was obtained for the marriage of William Livingston
and Elizabeth, as they were related in the 3rd degree of
consanguinity [2]. We have little on the ancestry of Elizabeth de
Caldcotis, so that even though the ancestry of William Livingston is
known, an exact explanation for this relationship has not previously
been found.

However, we do have certain information from which the origin of
this relationship can be better defined.

1. The ancestry of William Livingston is relatively complete to
4 generations, as given in the following AT [3]. In order for
Elizabeth de Caldcotis to be related to William Livingston in the
3rd degree (i.e. to have been his 2nd cousin), she must have been
the granddaughter of a sibling of either Sir William Livingston of
Callendar (d. 1364), his wife Christian of Callendar, Sir James
Douglas of Dalkeith (d. 1420) or his wife Agnes Dunbar (d. ca.
1378).

2. The lands held by William Livingston's paternal grandparents were
concentrated in Stirlingshire: Callendar, Wester Kilsyth and
Balcastel. These are relatively removed from the landholdings of
the Dunbars, Earls of March in East Lothian (Haddingtonshire) and
Berwickshire.

3. The landholdings of James Douglas of Dalkeith, maternal
grandfather of William Livingston, were largely in the Lothians,
but were somewhat spread about due to his receipt of certain lands
forfeited in northern Galloway. William Livingston obtained from
his Douglas grandfather (or his uncle James Douglas of Dalkeith,
following the elder Douglas' death in 1420) "some lands in
Dalkeith" [4], together with the lands of Cromartoun, Rahill,
Moniegap, and Molgan in Dumfriesshire, which had been settled on
his mother Agnes Douglas and the heirmale of her marriage with
Sir John Livingston by her father James Douglas of Dalkeith [5].

4. There are no known lands received by the Livingstons from the
Dunbar patrimony in East Lothian or Berwickshire, but we do know
that the manor or barony of Graden was located in the parish of
Coldstream in Berwickshire. The parish adjoining Coldstream is
that of Eccles, where in or before 1390 Sir Patrick Dunbar of
Biel [brother of Agnes Dunbar, and great-uncle of William
Livingston] received a grant of the 40 merks of land in
Mersington, "including a considerable portion of the parish
of Eccles" [6].

There is a good possibility that the lands of Graden, the
maritagium or inheritance of Elizabeth de Caldcotis, were a portion of
those lands based in Mersington that were given to Sir Patrick Dunbar
(d. after 1437), and that these came into the hands of William de
Caldcotis as the maritagium of his wife, a daughter of Sir Patrick.
It is also possible that the lands passed through the hands of a
sibling of Sir Patrick, but no such sibling has been identified to
date.

Should any one have access to the Laing Charters, or any other
documentation bearing on this identification (affirmative or negative),
it would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers,

John *



NOTES

[1] Scots Peerage V:184.

[2] Ibid. " For this marriage a papal dispensation was obtained
10 November 1421, the parties being within the third degree of
consanguinity ". The text of this dispensation is reproduced in
Andrew Stuart, Genealogical History of the Stewarts
(London: Printed for A. Strahan, and T. Cadell Jun. and
W. Davies, in the Strand, 1798).

[3] Ancestry of William Livingston of Wester Kilsyth:

1 William Livingston.
died bef 20 Apr 1460.[1],[2]
Occupation: laird of Balcastell.

laird of Kilsyth

' From his father, William Livingston of Balcastle obtained the
lands of Wester Kilsyth; and through
his mother, in the year 1428, the lands of Cromartoun, Rahill,
Moniegap, and Molgan in Dumfriesshire, which had been
settled on her and the heirmale of her marriage with Sir John
Livingston by her father '
' From his maternal uncle Sir James Douglas, namesake, son,
and successor of the elder Sir James Douglas of Dalkeith, he
also received, in 1421, a charter of some lands near Dalkeith,
as well as a tenement in Dalkeith itself.'(Livingston, p. 210)[2]

bef 10 Nov 1421 William married Elizabeth de Caldcotis.[2]


2 Sir John Livingston.
died on 14 Sep 1402 in Battle of Homildon.[1],[2]
Occupation: laird of Callendar.

laird of Callendar

marriage contract with Agnes Douglas, 15 August 1381(1391 ?),
[Livingston, p. 34, cites Charter Chest of the Earls of Morton[2] ]

he m. 1stly a daughter of John Mentieth of Kerse,
2ndly Agnes Douglas[1]

cf. Thompson and Hansen 12(1):88 #1044[3]

On 15 Aug 1381 Sir John married Agnes Douglas.[2]


3 Agnes Douglas.

she m. 1stly (as 2nd wife[1]) Sir John Livingston,
2ndly John Gordon of Gordon[2]


4 Sir William Livingston.
died bef 30 Nov 1364.[2]
Occupation: laird of Callendar.

knt., of Callendar[4]
younger son;

had grant of lands from King David II of the lordship of Callendar,
(including Kilsyth) previously forfeit by Patrick de Callendar,
10 July 1345[2]

fought at the battle of Neville's Cross, 17 Oct 1346 (captured by
the English)

'Willielmus de Levyngston', one of the ambassadors sent to Berwick to
negotiate the release of King David II, 1357 [Acta & Publica VI:41,
bearing seal of 'Robertus Senescallus Scotiae '[4] ]

had charter of the lands of Kilsyth, Lennox from King David II, 13
Oct 1362 [Livingston, p. 26[2] ]

In 1345 Sir William married Christian de Callendar.[2]


5 Christian de Callendar.


6 Sir James Douglas.
died in 1420.[1]
Occupation: laird of Dalkeith.

laird of Dalkeith

received grant of the lands of Dalkeith from his uncle Sir
William Douglas (charter from King David II, 1369)

'James of Douglas, lord ..of Dalkeith ', witness together with Robert
Erskine of charter of King Robert III to David Fleming of the
lands of Cavers, dated Erskyn, 10 Aug 1405 [Charter Chest/Wigtown,
p.5, no. 19[5] ]

he m. 1stly Agnes Dunbar[1],[6]
2ndly Egidia Stewart[1]

cf. Scots Peerage (Douglas, Earl of Morton)[1]
Thompson and Hansen 12(1):88 #1042[3]

In 1372 Sir James married Agnes Dunbar.[6]


7 Agnes Dunbar.
died bef Oct 1378.[1]

mistress of King David II, up to ca. 1372

had the lands of Mordington, co. Berwicks. and Whittinghame, co.
Haddington as her maritagium

marriage to James Douglas arranged to cement alliance with her
brother George, Earl of Dunbar, 1372[6]:
" Agnes, whom George, Earl of Dunbar, styles his very dear
sister, when in 1372 he granted to her the lands of Mordington
and Whittinghame, on her marriage with Sir James Douglas of
Dalkeith,.." [SP III:261, sub Dunbar, Earl of Dunbar, cites
Reg. Mag. Sig., ed. 1814, 117, Nos. 19, 20, 125, No. 31[1] ]

cf. Scots Peerage (Douglas, Earl of Morton; also Dunbar, Earl
of Dunbar)[1], Thompson and Hansen 12(1):88 #1043[3]


8 Sir William de Livingston.
died ca 1341.[2]
Occupation: laird of Gorgyn, Craigmillar and Drumry.

laird of Gorgyn and Craigmillar, co. Midlothian, and Drumry

fought at Halidon Hill, 19 July 1333 (a knight banneret)
(his estates held forfeit by the pretender Edward Baliol)
[Livingston, p. 25[2] ]

Sir William married Margaret.


9 Margaret.


10 Sir Patrick de Callendar.
Occupation: laird of Callendar.

laird of Callendar
forfeited lands of Callendar before 1345[2]


12 Sir John Douglas.
died in 1349.[1]

Sir John married Agnes.


13 Agnes.


14 Sir Patrick Dunbar.
died in 1357.[1]

fought against the English at Poitiers, 1356
identified by Fordun as the father of George, Earl of March
(SP Vol III, Dunbar- p. 270)[1]

Sir Patrick married Isabella Randolph.


15 Isabella Randolph.

one of the two coheiresses of her brother John, Earl of Moray[1]

the lands apparently included 1/2 of the baronies of Tibbers and
Morton in Dumfriesshire [the other half resigned by Patrick, Earl
of March and Agnes formerly Randolph, his wife to George Dunbar,
confirmed by King David II 28 June 1363 -see SP Vol III, p. 270][1]


1. "The Scots Peerage," Sir James Balfour Paul, ed., 1904-1914 (9 vols).
2. The Livingstons of Callendar and their Principal Cadets: The history
of an old Stirlingshire family, "Edwin Brockholst Livingston
(Edinburgh: T. and A.
Constable, 1920)," .pdf images provided by Genealogy.com,
http://www.genealogy.com/
re: the Livingstons of Kilsyth (cf. Chapter IX, THE LIVINGSTONS,
VISCOUNTS OF KILSYTH), pp. 210 et seq.
3. Neil D Thompson and Charles M Hansen, ""A Medieval Heritage: The
Ancestry of Charles II, King of England"," The Genealogist
a graphical summary of this ambitious project provided by the
Foundation for Medieval Genealogy, URL:
http://fmg.ac/Projects/CharlesII/
4. Thomas Rymer, ed., "Foedera, Conventiones, Literae, et Cujuscunque
Generis Acta Publica," Editio Secunda: London: J. Tonson, 1727,
Vol VI (p. 584), Vol VI:41, letter of safeconduct from Robert the
Stewart to Berwick (1357).
5. "Charter Chest of the Earldom of Wigtown, 1214-1681," Anonymous,
Edinburgh: Printed for the Society by J. Skinner & Co., 1910,
.pdf image files provided by Genealogy.com www.genealogy.com
6. "The Black Douglases," Michael Brown, East Linton: Tuckwell
Press, 1998.


[4] SP V:184.

[5] Edwin Brockholst Livingston, The Livingstons of Callendar and their
Principal Cadets: The history of an old Stirlingshire family
(Edinburgh: T. and A. Constable, 1920), p. 210.

[6] SP III:260, sub Dunbar, Earl of Dunbar, citing Laing Charters,
No. 81.



* John P. Ravilious


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