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From: "Chris Dickinson" <>
Subject: Re: COATS OF ARMS
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 00:22:34 +0000 (UTC)
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Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote in reply to Terry Mair:

>> Not wanting to burst your bubble and all, but in Scotland a grant of
>> arms IS a grant of Nobility!
>I have heard that the correct word going with Scots arms is "Noblesse"
>which probably has a different meaning to "Nobility" which latter I have
>always understood to belong solely to peers (shortly ex-peers) of the
>realm. What on earth "Noblesse" might imply I have no idea.

Boutell's Manual of Heraldry (1931 edition, p 208) comments:

|a Scottish coat of arms, like a Scots peerage before the union - although
|in the nature of an "honour" - is, for legal purposes, regarded as a piece
|of "incorporeal heritable property" held of the Crown in strict entail.

Yes, I thought that would help ...


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