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From: "Gordon Kirkemo" <>
Subject: RE: GEN-MEDIEVAL-NMD Digest V03 #1078
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 13:27:15 -0800
In-Reply-To: <3FF65C97.2020703@interfold.com>


Todd,

I'm wondering if the de Say line can be extended a little further. If I
read DD correctly, K-R identifies Jordan de Say as the father of the William
who married Beatrice de Mandeville (pages 680 and 681). She further
suggests that the parents of Jordan, who married Lucy de Rumilly, might be
William de Say and Agnes, daughter of Hugh de Grandmesnil.

If I am misreading this, please let me know.

Sincerely,
Gordon Kirkemo

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd A. Farmerie [mailto:]
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 10:09 PM
To:
Subject: Re: GEN-MEDIEVAL-NMD Digest V03 #1078

wrote:
> Can anyone guide me to an established connection between the Guillaume de
Say
> of Crispin's Falaise Roll (p. 50) and the William de Say who Weis (in
Magna
> Charta Sureties, 160-3) says was the father of Beatrice de Say (citing CP
V,
> 134). Though Crispin does lead a confusing trek to Beatrice, sister of
Geoffrey
> de Mandeville (agreeing with Weis), checking Leo van de Pas' website does
not
> lead me there, which inclines me to wonder if the connection is valid. I
would
> consider it a favor since I do not have access to CP at the moment.

William de Say, father of Beatrice de Say, was son of William de
Say and Beatrice de Mandeville. That, as far as I am aware, is
as far back as the pedigree can reliably be traced.

taf

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