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From: "Louise Staley" <>
Subject: Re: Joan / Constance Gray, wife of Richard Le Strange
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 05:34:44 GMT
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Dear James,

Rosie Bevan 29 April 2002 in "The Grey sisters of Heton" identified the
parents of 8. as John Grey and Juliana:

In 1311 the escheator north of the
Trent had confiscated the lands of John de Grey, son and heir of Juliane de
Grey (widow of Sir Robert Grey), in Heton and Norham "par la reson des
ordenances feist reprendre en sa meyn le manoir de Heton et un toft et
treis
acres de terre en Norham el Contee de Northumbr, qe furent a Juliane de
Grey
et qe par lenemyte et la rebellete Johan fiuz et heir la dite Juliane
sicome
eschete a la meyn le Roy devyndrent..."[C.M.Fraser ed., 'Ancient petitions
relating to Northumberland'. Surtees Society Publication no. 176. 1966.
p.23]. It may be significant that the wording implies that the Heton
inheritance had come via Juliane de Grey as John was described as her son
and heir, not her husband's. He is not even mentioned. The lands were
restored in 1312 when Bishop Kellawe formally put Sir Thomas Grey and his
wife Agnes in possession of the manor of Heton on 28 October 1312. [Reg.
Pal.Dun I 77-78 II 1170-1]. Sir Thomas was most likely a younger son of Sir
Robert Grey and Juliane. Like his antecedents, Thomas de Grey was Constable
of Norham Castle, Northumberland, one of the two castles of the Palatinate
of Durham, on the Scottish border, and he defended it from the Scots in
1318, 1319, 1322 and 1327.

Also I am not sure that 9. Agnes has been identifed as a Bayles. I thought
her surname was unknown.

regards
Louise

> <> wrote in message ...
> Dear Newsgroup,
> I`ve started attempting to trace the
genealogies
> of Joan Gray and Richard le Strange back through her third and his second
> Grandparents and with her being a Gray of Heton (conjectural) her nearest
> relationships to her husband are 3rd cousin once removed (via the
Segraves) and 3rd
> cousin twice removed (via de Arundel) see ahnentafels below
>
> 1 Joan (Constance) Gray
>
> 2 Thomas Gray III of Heton and Warke
> 3 Joan Mowbray
>
> 4 Sir Thomas Gray II of Heton and Warke
> 5 Margaret de Pressen
> 6 John Mowbray, 4th Baron Mowbray of Thirsk
> 7 Elizabeth Segrave
>
> 8 Thomas Gray I of Heton
> 9 Agnes Bayles
> 10 William de Pressen
> 11 NN
> 12 John Mowbray, 3rd Baron Mowbray of Thirsk
> 13 Joan of Lancaster
> 14 John Segrave, 4th Baron Segrave
> 15 Margaret of Norfolk, Duchess of Norfolk
>
> 16 ( probably) Thomas Hugtoun
> 17 -23 unknown
> 24 John Mowbray, 2nd Baron Mowbray of Thirsk
> 25 Aline Braose
> 26 Henry of Lancaster, 3rd Earl of Lancaster
> 27 Maud de Chaworth
> 28 Stephen Segrave, 3rd Baron Segrave
> 29 Alice de Arundel
> 30 Thomas of Brotherton, Earl of Norfolk
> 31 Alice de Hales
>
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