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From: (Douglas Richardson)
Subject: Re: C.P. Correction: Heirs of Elizabeth Aton
Date: 14 Jan 2004 22:13:03 -0800
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Dear Newssgroup ~
The following Chancery suit involves the heirs of Sir William Playce,
of Gristhorpe and Lebberston, Yorkshire, son and heir of William de
Playce, Knt. (died 1371), by his wife, Elizabeth de Aton.
The three plaintiffs in this suit were grand-daughters and co-heirs of
Margaret Sewerby, wife of Geoffrey Picot. Yorkshire Arch. Journal, 17
(1903): 57 indicates that Margaret was daughter of William Sewerby,
Esq., of Sewerby, Yorkshire. Margaret Sewerby was a near kinswoman to
Sir William Playce through her Playce ancestry, but not descended from
him. As best I can determine Margaret Sewerby is the person who
inherited the Playce family estates on the death of Sir William Playce
C 1/546/39 James Metcalf, esquire, and Margaret, his wife, Giles
[Hussey] and Jane, his wife, and James Strangways, esquire, and
Elizabeth, his wife. v. Richard Nevill, Lord Latimer.: Detention of
deeds relating to the manors of Gristhorpe, Lebberston, Molthorp,
H[und]manby, Newton Morrell, Lopsollz, Scarthhouse, and Conderston in
Baldersdall, late of Geoffrey Pycott and Margaret, his wife,
grandparents of the female complainants. 1518-1529
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
(Douglas Richardson) wrote in message news:<>...
> Dear Newsgroup ~
> Since my two earlier posts, I've located a detailed pedigree of the
> Place family of Halnaby, Yorkshire in the book, Ye Heraldic
> Visitatione of ye Countye Palatyne of Durham, in the Year of Our Lord
> God 1575, by Cuthbert Sharp (published New Castle: S. Hodgson, 1820),
> page 23. The pedigree traces the extended ancestry of this family. It
> does not show a descent from Sir William de Playce (died 1371) and his
> wife, Elizabeth de Aton, as alleged by Complete Peerage. Rather, it
> shows the correct descent through the other contemporary William
> Playce, of Scalby, Yorkshire, and his wife, Emma, which couple are
> mentioned in my 2nd post.
> Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
> (Douglas Richardson) wrote in message news:<>...
> > Dear Newsgroup ~
> > Since my post yesterday, I've had the opportunity to examine a few
> > more sources which shed light on the ancestry of the Place (or Playce)
> > family of Halnaby, Yorkshire. As I indicated in my previous post,
> > Complete Peerage alleges that Robert Playce (died c. 1427) of Halnaby
> > (in Croft), Yorkshire was the grandson and heir of Elizabeth de Aton,
> > wife of Sir William de Playce (died 1371), of Gristhorpe (in Filey)
> > and Lebberston, Yorkshire. This arrangement of the Place family tree
> > can also be found in Testamenta Eboracensia, 2 (Surtees Soc. 30)
> > (1855): 9?10. As best I can determine, Robert Playce was neither
> > Elizabeth de Aton's heir, nor was his her descendant.
> > My research indicates that Elizabeth de Aton had one son by her Playce
> > marriage, namely William Playce, Knt. He appears to have married a
> > woman named Margaret, who died in 1400, leaving a will naming a
> > daughter, Elizabeth Hastings [see Testamenta Eboracensia 1 (Surtees
> > Soc. 4): 258]. Sometime prior to Margaret's death, William settled
> > all of his lands on Margaret and her children. Please note that the
> > record does not say "their children" but "her" children. This
> > suggests that William had no children by Margaret, only step-children.
> > Robert Playce, of Halnaby, on the other hand, was the son of a William
> > Playce, of Scalby, Yorkshire, whose wife was named Emma. Emma died in
> > 1410, and her heir was her son, Robert [see Calendar of Fine Rolls, 7
> > (1923): 251; Calendar of Fine Rolls, 13 (1933): 186?187].
> > So we have two contemporary William Playce's, one who was knighted and
> > had a wife, Margaret; the other was not knighted and had a wife, Emma.
> > The first William appears to have been the son and heir of Elizabeth
> > de Aton. The second William was the father of Robert Playce, of
> > Halnaby (in Croft), Yorkshire.
> > For those interest in doing additional reading on the Place family,
> > they may consult VCH Yorkshire N.R. 1 (1914): 166; VCH Yorkshire E.R.
> > 2 (1974): 138?139. The Place family of Halnaby, Yorkshire is in the
> > ancestry of two colonial immigrants, George and Nehemiah Blakiston, of
> > Maryland.
> > Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
> > E-mail:
> > (Douglas Richardson) wrote in message news:<>...
> > > Dear Newsgroup ~
> > >
> > > Complete Peerage 1 (1910): 325-326 (sub Aton) gives a good account of
> > > Sir William Aton, Lord Aton (died 1389). Lord Aton left three
> > > daughters and coheirs:
> > >
> > > 1. Anastasia, wife of Edward St. John.
> > >
> > > 2. Katherine, wife of Sir Ralph Eure.
> > >
> > > 3. Elizabeth, wife of Sir William Playce and John Conyers
> > >
> > > In footnote d on page 326, it states that Elizabeth Aton, the youngest
> > > daughter, left a son and heir, Sir William Playce (living 1396), which
> > > William in turn was the father of Robert Playce, who married Katherine
> > > Halnaby. Robert Playce is identified as the "ancestor of the family
> > > of Place of Halnaby, co.York."
> > >
> > > My research indicates that Elizabeth Aton's heir was not Robert Place
> > > (husband of Katherine Halnaby), but rather the heirs of her second
> > > Conyers marriage. For further particulars, readers may consult VCH
> > > Yorkshire E.R., 2 (1974): 138-139; 3 (1976): 48.
> > >
> > > Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
> > >
> > > E-mail: