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From: "Chris Phillips" <>
Subject: Re: Wahull to Osbaldeston; the manor of Chadlington
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 18:33:45 -0000
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Douglas Richardson wrote:
> The Chancery suits listed below may be helpful to your search. Two of
> the suits indicate that John Osbaldeston, Esq., and William Reade,
> Knt., were co-heirs of Richard Beauchamp, Knt., Lord Saint Amand.
> William Reade, Knt., was a great-grandson of Edmund de la Pole (died
> 1419) and his wife, Elizabeth de Haudlo. I assume that John
> Osbaldeston and William Rede were both related to Richard Beauchamp,
> Lord Saint Amand, through Elizabeth de Haudlo's mother, Isabel de
> Saint Amand. If so, I assume your pedigree is correct that John
> Osbaldeston descends from Elizabeth de Haudlo's sister, Margaret de
> Haudlo.
[snip]
> C 1/352/1 William Rede, knight, and John Osbaldeston, esquire, cousins
> and heirs-tail of Richard Beauchamp, knight, late Lord Seyntmore. v.
> Thomas, abbot of Stanley: Detention of deeds relating to the manors of
> Ipylpen, Stokeharrys, Ambrisbery, Chaldrynton, Ashamsted, Bukynton,
> Grendon, and Hillisley.
>
> C 1/353/41 William Rede, knight, and John Osbaldeston, esquire. v.
> Antony Styleman: Detention of deeds relating to complainant's
> inheritance, delivered to defendant by their ancestor Richard
> Beauchamp, lord St. Amand (Seintmond).: [Bedford, Huntingdon, &c.].


Thanks for that information, which looks like a pretty strong indication
that the Osbaldestons were descendants of Margaret Haudlo.

I didn't have much success identifying the places mentioned in C 1/352/1,
but presumably some are - like Stanley Abbey - in Wiltshire (Ambrisbery =
Amesbury?). If these are Wiltshire properties of the St Amands, this would
make sense. Provided that the younger Gerard Braybrooke (son of Gerard
Braybrooke (d. 1429) and Eleanor de St Amand) had no siblings who left
surviving issue, then according to the account in CP there would be no
closer cousins of Richard Beauchamp, arising from his St Amand ancestry,
than the descendants of Isabel de St Amand, the wife of Richard Haudlo.

Perhaps someone can confirm that the issue of the younger Gerard
Braybrooke's siblings (if he had any) was extinct. This is certainly
suggested by CP xi 303 note g, which says that in 1515 Richard Beauchamp's
heir was found to be Thomas (Brooke), Lord Cobham. It attrubutes this to a
pretended claim that he was a descendant of a brother of the _elder_ Gerard
Braybrooke.

Chris Phillips







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