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From: Francisco Antonio Doria <>
Subject: Re: Sixteen Quarters Of Nobility
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 09:42:50 -0300 (ART)
In-Reply-To: <4012fbfc$0$21910$79c14f64@nan-newsreader-02.noos.net>


Dear Pierre,

I had the 1884 Gotha by myself when I wrote that
message. Do you want me to scan its title page and
Lévis entry and send it to you in pvt?

They do write Duc de Mirepoix.

Best, chico

--- Pierre Aronax <>
escreveu: >
> "Francisco Antonio Doria"
> <> a écrit dans
> le message de
>
news:...
> >
> > No, Pierre, I mention *the* Gotha. The old one.
>
> Chico, you wrote:
> > > > The Gotha
>
> <...>
> > > > lists the family
> > > > under the caption `Duc de Mirepoix, Duc de San
> > > > Fernando Luis.' He told me the formal title
> was
> > > that
> > > > of Marquis de Mirepoix, but that by usage the
> > > > Montmorency-Laval title of Duque de San
> Fernando
> > > Luis
> > > > had `lifted' the marchional title, and then
> that
> > > de
> > > > Gaulle had recognized the title of `Duc de
> > > Mirepoix'
>
>
> How on earth the old Gotha, who cessed to be
> published at the end of WWII,
> can mention an authorisation made by General de
> Gaulle? And if it was the
> old Gotha who mentioned the title of "Duke de
> Mirepoix" BEFORE he was
> purportedly by De Gaulle, what is it suppose to
> prove?
>
>
> > fa
> >
> > PS: As for the rest, with due respect to you, I
> stick
> > to M. de Mirepoix's remarks to me.
>
>
> If you want, do it: it's called an argument of
> authority. But at least call
> him by his name: he is M. de Lévis-Mirepoix, dukedom
> of Mirepoix or not!
>
> > I notice that the
> > letters-patent of some of the princely titles born
> by
> > the late (my very distant cousin) Donna Orietta
> > Doria-Pamphilj-Landi are no longer extant (but for
> > transcripts), and yet nobody would deny her those
> > titles.
>
> Probably they have been mentionned somewhere before
> the last edition of the
> Gotha :)
>
> > (The same of the ownership of the Palazzo at
> Piazza
> > Navona, Palazzo Doria-Pamphilj, now the Brazilian
> > embassy at Rome.)
>
> Beautiful palace, and beautiful embassy.
>
> Pierre
>
>

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