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From: Francisco Antonio Doria <>
Subject: Re: Sixteen Quarters Of Nobility
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 16:05:08 -0300 (ART)
In-Reply-To: <c6QQb.27524$Wa.21297@news-server.bigpond.net.au>


Some very old nisba(s) for the Arab aristocracy:

al-Lakhmi, al-Lahami (Lakhmids).

al-Qayzi (a great Iemenite clan).

al-Umawi (Ummayads).

al-Qurayshi (the old Quraysh clan).

al-Hasani, al-Husayni (two Alid branches).

and so on.

chico


--- Peter Stewart <> escreveu: >
Pierre Aronax wrote:
> > "Jay" <> a écrit dans le
> message de
> >
>
news:...
> >
> >>>Which countries?
> >>
> >>U.K had hereditary peers who could sit in the
> house of Lords, although
> >>this is in the process of being changed.
> >
> >
> > That is already: nobody sit the House of Lords
> only by right of birth.
> >
> >
> >>I am sure in Saudi Arabia
> >>nobility still has priviledges, certainly the
> power to enrich oneself
> >>by graft as a virtue of being of the House of Saud
> seems to be one
> >>perk.
> >
> >
> > I don't think Saudi Arabia has a nobility: rather
> only a large Royal family.
> > And it has not titles of nobility: that is what we
> were speaking about, no?
>
> There is indeed an Arabian nobility - but this
> doesn't include the house
> of Saud, who are comparative parvenus.
>
> It isn't registered or marshalled in the way of
> European nobilities, yet
> it was formerly quite as keen on pedigree as any
> Austro-Hungarian snob.
>
> The Beduin tribal confederations were headed by the
> equivalent of
> princely families, of ancient bloodlines: some of
> these continue, most
> of the individuals living nowadays in Beirut,
> Damascus or Cairo.
>
> There were also settled rulers of towns and
> districts within the modern
> Saudi Arabia, like the Rashidi clan of Hail, who
> held power locally
> before the Wahabi religious sect - led by the
> ancestors of today's royal
> family - took up temporal ambitions early in the
> 19th century.
>
> And of course there were the sharifs of Mecca,
> reputedly the senior
> lineage in descent from the Prophet, once briefly
> the royal family of
> the Hijaz and now of Jordan (also, incidentally, of
> Iraq).
>
> Peter Stewart
>

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