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From: (Derek Howard)
Subject: Re: Dennys/Stradling
Date: 30 Mar 2004 23:51:02 -0800
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(Douglas Richardson) wrote in message news:<>...
> Dear Peter ~
>
> Mr. Davies kindly posted a copy of the Dennis pedigree on his website.
> I've dated the Dennis pedigree based on the handwriting as being
> about 1550, and possibly earlier. This is just a guess, without
> knowing further particulars about the pedigree. Ms. Colwell may well
> be right to date it as being circa 1530. Twenty years isn't a lot of
> difference, Peter. In any case, my question regarding the pedigree's
> dating was directed towards Chris Phillips, not you. Please allow
> Chris to reply, if he wishes to do so. Thanks!

May I butt in and reply? The membrane concerned from this pedigree has
been published previous to Stella Colwell's 1980 work. It appeared in
the Catalogue of the Heralds' Commemorative Exhibition 1484-1934,
plate XLIV, exhibition item 101 discussed at page 70. It was then
catalogued as College of Arms, Box 9, no. 18 so obviously some
rearrangement of the CoA storage has taken place. It had been
bequeathed to the college by Ralph Sheldon of Beoly, co. Worcester in
1684.

The vellum roll is dated to "about 1520 continued to 1530". The
principal compiler of the catalogue was A R Wagner, then Portcullis
Pursuivant. It would be hard to find a better authority for the date.

The photo in the Catalogue is rather finer and sharper than in
Colwell's book though the latter has a higher contrast so for the
consideration of the two generations under current discussion I have
found it useful to have both volumes open together. The Catalogue
print includes a couple of earlier generations and the bottom of the
previous membrane while Colwell includes a later generation, so they
are probably not from the same negative or plate.

As I read the document :
Maurice Denys Armiger is stated to be first son of Gilbert and
Margaret;
Maurice married 1st Joan Stadling, 2nd Alice Poyntz
the children are given as
Maurice first son of Maurice and Alice
Francis 2nd son died without heirs of his body
Alice first daughter
Walter Denys first son of Maurice and Joan

I would add to the previous transcripts posted that Sir Walter's 2nd
wife, Agnes, was 'one' (una) of the daughters and heiresses of Robert
Danvers.

If necessary I can spend a little more time with the prints and
magnifying glass.

Derek Howard

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