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From: "Pierre Aronax" <>
Subject: Re: Charlemagne to Agnes Harris
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 11:17:47 +0200
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<> a crit dans le message de
news:...
> "> Generation 1
> > Karloman/Charlemagne, Charles the Great, King of the Franks and Emperor
of
> > the Holy Roman Empire (742-813) + Hildegarde of Vinzgau (757- 782)
> > parents of Pepin (below).
>
> I know your interest is genealogical and not historical, but pay some
> attention to the titles: Charles and Karloman are two different names;
> Charles was not "Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire".
>
> <....>
> > Hugh Magnus, Duke of Francia,
>
> And Hugh the Great was not Duke of Francia but Duke of the Franks.
>
> Pierre"
>
> In the Encyclopaedia Brittanica, 1992, article on Eudes (Odo) the brother
of Robert I, they state that he was "...King of France (or West Francia)..."
888-898.
>
> His nephew Hugh is styled "Count of Paris"
> Then his son Hugh Capet b c 938 is styled "King of France"
>
> I'm not really sure what territory West Francia would have covered in
Eudes time, but then his brother Robert I is styled "King of France" 922-3,
a very short reign.

West Francis is what will become France later, as opposed to East Francia
which will become Germany. But actually, the title used by king Robert I as
by king Eudes was simply "king of the Franks". Although it is traditional
and so perfectly proper to call them "king of France", all the kings before
Philip II August would be more correctly referred to as "king of the
Franks".



Pierre


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